K-3 III water damage

**BigMackCam** · 12-01-2021, 03:36 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

I made it a little smaller Mike. Does that look OK now?

I was only pulling your leg, mate

But, yes - much better

MarkJerling · 12-01-2021, 03:39 AM

Thank you!

Wheatfield · 12-01-2021, 08:50 AM - **1 Like**

Not germane to the thread. Time marches forwards not backwards. You can't use pictures from a decade old advertisement in a case for a different product made today.

---------- Post added Dec 1st, 2021 at 10:02 AM ----------

Originally posted by slartibartfast01

To be more pedantic they do say "designed to prevent". Not all designs are successful

That is the point. All they are saying is that their camera has been designed to be resistant to water ingress, not that it will prevent it.
Meanwhile, their warranty specifically says that damage from water getting in is not covered.

We also have not been told the extent of stress the seals were put under. If the camera was hit by spray with any degree of force beyond falling rain coming down on the top of it, it is outside the likely design parameter of the weatherproofing.

This is where the OPs quest is going to fail. The camera, by his own admission was not damaged due to weather.

slartibartfast01 · 12-01-2021, 09:53 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Not germane to the thread. Time marches forwards not backwards. You can't use pictures from a decade old advertisement in a case for a different product made today.

---------- Post added Dec 1st, 2021 at 10:02 AM ----------

That is the point. All they are saying is that their camera has been designed to be resistant to water ingress, not that it will prevent it.

Meanwhile, their warranty specifically says that damage from water getting in is not covered.

We also have not been told the extent of stress the seals were put under. If the camera was hit by spray with any degree of force beyond falling rain coming down on the top of it, it is outside the likely design parameter of the weatherproofing.

This is where the OPs quest is going to fail. The camera, by his own admission was not damaged due to weather.

They are saying "designed to prevent" not "designed to resist".

**kwb** · 12-01-2021, 10:35 AM - **3 Likes**

Hi @tcwilson, I forgot to write this in the earlier posts, but I do sympathize as what happened to you is in part a consequence of PENTAX's past advertising practice that continued for some time.
I don't think that PENTAX is obliged to pay you as the tone of its water-resistance advertising as of now looks mostly OK to me, but I'm no lawyer. Please keep us updated.

Mike, legal arguments (which I'm not interested in) aside, I totally agree. Changing phrases like "prevent the intrusion of dust and water" and "totally resistant to demanding environmental factors" to more accurate ones w/o room for different interpretations could only be a good thing both for PENTAX AND customers.

And it seems to be already there in the Japanese text. As of now, in the K-3III product information page, what was translated to "to prevent the intrusion of dust and water", i.e. "水滴や砂ぼこりが浸入しにくい", is literally translated as "difficult for dust and water to intrude".

**ThorSanchez** · 12-01-2021, 10:40 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by kwb

Hi Allen, I forgot to write this in the earlier posts, but I do sympathize as what happened to you is in part a consequence of PENTAX's past advertising practice that continued for some time.
I don't think that PENTAX is obliged to pay you as the tone of its water-resistance advertising as of now looks mostly OK to me, but I'm no lawyer. Please keep us updated.

Mike, legal arguments (which I'm not interested in) aside, I totally agree. Changing phrases like "prevent the intrusion of dust and water" and "totally resistant to demanding environmental factors" to more accurate ones w/o room for different interpretations could only be a good thing both for PENTAX AND customers.

And it seems to be already there in the Japanese text. As of now, in the K-3III product information page, what was translated to "to prevent the intrusion of dust and water", i.e. "水滴や砂ぼこりが浸入しにくい", is literally translated as "difficult for dust and water to intrude".

All of this would be solved by Ricoh adding "but please be careful, because if water does get into your camera we ain't paying to fix it no matter how it got there."

**aslyfox** · 12-01-2021, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by kwb

Hi Allen, I forgot to write this in the earlier posts, but I do sympathize as what happened to you . . .

I'm not the OP and have had no such problem

**kwb** · 12-01-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by aslyfox

I'm not the OP and have had no such problem

Oh noes (face palm), sorry about that Allen, and thanks for pointing it out! I’ll correct that.
I didn’t remember OP’s name, thought I’d find it in the first post, the first page was already open in a different tab on my browser. That was an ok strategy except that I also had yet another tab with the second page of this thread, and on top of that page was your post. If only I read the content of that post, but my eyes were only searching for a name!

Wheatfield · 12-01-2021, 02:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

All of this would be solved by Ricoh adding "but please be careful, because if water does get into your camera we ain't paying to fix it no matter how it got there."

They do say that in their exclusions, they just aren't saying it in what passes for English in Texas.

**StiffLegged** · 12-01-2021, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

They do say that in their exclusions, they just aren't saying it in what passes for English in Texas.

They speak English in Texas?? Ah'll be durned!

**BigMackCam** · 12-01-2021, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by StiffLegged

They speak English in Texas?? Ah'll be durned!

A rather loose variation on it, apparently

slartibartfast01 · 12-01-2021, 02:38 PM

Curiouser and curiouser.
BBC News - Rust: Alec Baldwin says he didn't fire gun on film set
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59499237

**yucatanPentax** · 12-01-2021, 02:54 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by slartibartfast01

Curiouser and curiouser.
BBC News - Rust: Alec Baldwin says he didn't fire gun on film set
Rust: Alec Baldwin says he didn't fire gun on film set - BBC News

The K-3III water damage thread takes a shocking PLOT TWIST!

Did Baldwin really only soak his camera and not actually fire a weapon? Tune in tomorrow for an exciting Eyewitness News report!

(truly, I do understand a tab confusion issue. I've done it myself. Accursed technology anyway!)

slartibartfast01 · 12-01-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by yucatanPentax

The K-3III water damage thread takes a shocking PLOT TWIST!

Did Baldwin really only soak his camera and not actually fire a weapon? Tune in tomorrow for an exciting Eyewitness News report!

(truly, I do understand a tab confusion issue. I've done it myself. Accursed technology anyway!)

Oops wrong thread. how can it be moved to the "why I won't buy a K3" thread?

**ThorSanchez** · 12-01-2021, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

They do say that in their exclusions, they just aren't saying it in what passes for English in Texas.

Perhaps that would be more effective. A John Wayne type with a .45 on each hip and a piece of straw in his mouth in a public service announcement saying "Hey, don't you try that warranty crap here with no Pentax. Not after you let that camera get slightly moist."

12-01-2021, 10:35 AM - 3 Likes	#335
kwb Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pacific North West Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,224	Hi @tcwilson, I forgot to write this in the earlier posts, but I do sympathize as what happened to you is in part a consequence of PENTAX's past advertising practice that continued for some time. I don't think that PENTAX is obliged to pay you as the tone of its water-resistance advertising as of now looks mostly OK to me, but I'm no lawyer. Please keep us updated. Mike, legal arguments (which I'm not interested in) aside, I totally agree. Changing phrases like "prevent the intrusion of dust and water" and "totally resistant to demanding environmental factors" to more accurate ones w/o room for different interpretations could only be a good thing both for PENTAX AND customers. And it seems to be already there in the Japanese text. As of now, in the K-3III product information page, what was translated to "to prevent the intrusion of dust and water", i.e. "水滴や砂ぼこりが浸入しにくい", is literally translated as "difficult for dust and water to intrude". Attached Images Last edited by kwb; 12-01-2021 at 01:05 PM. Reason: Silly mistake to address Allen instead of tcwilson.

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12-01-2021, 03:36 AM - 1 Like	#331
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,697	Originally posted by MarkJerling I made it a little smaller Mike. Does that look OK now? I was only pulling your leg, mate But, yes - much better

12-01-2021, 03:39 AM	#332
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,423	Thank you!

12-01-2021, 08:50 AM - 1 Like	#333
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Not germane to the thread. Time marches forwards not backwards. You can't use pictures from a decade old advertisement in a case for a different product made today. ---------- Post added Dec 1st, 2021 at 10:02 AM ---------- Originally posted by slartibartfast01 To be more pedantic they do say "designed to prevent". Not all designs are successful That is the point. All they are saying is that their camera has been designed to be resistant to water ingress, not that it will prevent it. Meanwhile, their warranty specifically says that damage from water getting in is not covered. We also have not been told the extent of stress the seals were put under. If the camera was hit by spray with any degree of force beyond falling rain coming down on the top of it, it is outside the likely design parameter of the weatherproofing. This is where the OPs quest is going to fail. The camera, by his own admission was not damaged due to weather.

12-01-2021, 09:53 AM - 1 Like	#334
slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Originally posted by Wheatfield Not germane to the thread. Time marches forwards not backwards. You can't use pictures from a decade old advertisement in a case for a different product made today. ---------- Post added Dec 1st, 2021 at 10:02 AM ---------- That is the point. All they are saying is that their camera has been designed to be resistant to water ingress, not that it will prevent it. Meanwhile, their warranty specifically says that damage from water getting in is not covered. We also have not been told the extent of stress the seals were put under. If the camera was hit by spray with any degree of force beyond falling rain coming down on the top of it, it is outside the likely design parameter of the weatherproofing. This is where the OPs quest is going to fail. The camera, by his own admission was not damaged due to weather. They are saying "designed to prevent" not "designed to resist".

12-01-2021, 10:40 AM - 2 Likes	#336
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by kwb Hi Allen, I forgot to write this in the earlier posts, but I do sympathize as what happened to you is in part a consequence of PENTAX's past advertising practice that continued for some time. I don't think that PENTAX is obliged to pay you as the tone of its water-resistance advertising as of now looks mostly OK to me, but I'm no lawyer. Please keep us updated. Mike, legal arguments (which I'm not interested in) aside, I totally agree. Changing phrases like "prevent the intrusion of dust and water" and "totally resistant to demanding environmental factors" to more accurate ones w/o room for different interpretations could only be a good thing both for PENTAX AND customers. And it seems to be already there in the Japanese text. As of now, in the K-3III product information page, what was translated to "to prevent the intrusion of dust and water", i.e. "水滴や砂ぼこりが浸入しにくい", is literally translated as "difficult for dust and water to intrude". All of this would be solved by Ricoh adding "but please be careful, because if water does get into your camera we ain't paying to fix it no matter how it got there."

12-01-2021, 11:28 AM	#337
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,583	Originally posted by kwb Hi Allen, I forgot to write this in the earlier posts, but I do sympathize as what happened to you . . . I'm not the OP and have had no such problem

12-01-2021, 01:01 PM	#338
kwb Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pacific North West Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,224	Originally posted by aslyfox I'm not the OP and have had no such problem Oh noes (face palm), sorry about that Allen, and thanks for pointing it out! I’ll correct that. I didn’t remember OP’s name, thought I’d find it in the first post, the first page was already open in a different tab on my browser. That was an ok strategy except that I also had yet another tab with the second page of this thread, and on top of that page was your post. If only I read the content of that post, but my eyes were only searching for a name!

12-01-2021, 02:16 PM - 1 Like	#339
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Originally posted by ThorSanchez All of this would be solved by Ricoh adding "but please be careful, because if water does get into your camera we ain't paying to fix it no matter how it got there." They do say that in their exclusions, they just aren't saying it in what passes for English in Texas.

12-01-2021, 02:33 PM	#340
StiffLegged Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2018 Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,636	Originally posted by Wheatfield They do say that in their exclusions, they just aren't saying it in what passes for English in Texas. They speak English in Texas?? Ah'll be durned!

12-01-2021, 02:36 PM	#341
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,697	Originally posted by StiffLegged They speak English in Texas?? Ah'll be durned! A rather loose variation on it, apparently

12-01-2021, 02:38 PM	#342
slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Curiouser and curiouser. BBC News - Rust: Alec Baldwin says he didn't fire gun on film set https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59499237

12-01-2021, 02:54 PM - 4 Likes	#343
yucatanPentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas / Yucatan Posts: 1,842	Originally posted by slartibartfast01 Curiouser and curiouser. BBC News - Rust: Alec Baldwin says he didn't fire gun on film set Rust: Alec Baldwin says he didn't fire gun on film set - BBC News The K-3III water damage thread takes a shocking PLOT TWIST! Did Baldwin really only soak his camera and not actually fire a weapon? Tune in tomorrow for an exciting Eyewitness News report! (truly, I do understand a tab confusion issue. I've done it myself. Accursed technology anyway!)

12-01-2021, 02:58 PM	#344
slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Originally posted by yucatanPentax The K-3III water damage thread takes a shocking PLOT TWIST! Did Baldwin really only soak his camera and not actually fire a weapon? Tune in tomorrow for an exciting Eyewitness News report! (truly, I do understand a tab confusion issue. I've done it myself. Accursed technology anyway!) Oops wrong thread. how can it be moved to the "why I won't buy a K3" thread?

12-01-2021, 05:44 PM	#345
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by Wheatfield They do say that in their exclusions, they just aren't saying it in what passes for English in Texas. Perhaps that would be more effective. A John Wayne type with a .45 on each hip and a piece of straw in his mouth in a public service announcement saying "Hey, don't you try that warranty crap here with no Pentax. Not after you let that camera get slightly moist."