Rolling shutter effect when using electronic shutter

D1N0 · 07-26-2018, 09:27 AM - **4 Likes**

Your subject doesn't have to be moving. Camera movement will do it 200mm 1/500th shot on a monopod. The relatively high shutter speed doesn't prevent it.

The same shot same shutter speed with mechanical shutter:

After this I turned of electronic shutter mode in live view.

**UncleVanya** · 07-26-2018, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Your subject doesn't have to be moving. Camera movement will do it 200mm 1/500th shot on a monopod. The relatively high shutter speed doesn't prevent it.

The same shot same shutter speed with mechanical shutter:

After this I turned of electronic shutter mode in live view.

How much did the camera MOVE? That's crazy.
I think you'd be hard pressed to recreate that level of distortion with those exposure parameters with a steady camera.

Tranzistors · 07-26-2018, 09:53 AM

So this is why electronic shutter disables shake reduction. Rolling shutter IS shake [blur] reduction.

reh321 · 07-26-2018, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Your subject doesn't have to be moving. Camera movement will do it 200mm 1/500th shot on a monopod. The relatively high shutter speed doesn't prevent it.

The "relatively high shutter speed" is misleading. The camera reads the sensor one line at a time, and regardless of the "shutter speed", the overall process takes something like 1/13-th second. Thus, the last line on the sensor comes from a view 1/13-th second after the first line .... and that is what causes the 'rolling shutter' effect.

D1N0 · 07-26-2018, 10:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Thus, the last line on the sensor comes from a view 1/13-th second after the first line

So then it is only really usefull on a tripod. It picked up the movement of the monopod in 1/13th of a second quite well. I hadn't noticed it very much before but a wider FOV's the effect will be less apparent.

This shot of the same bottle was shot hand held and also show the effect. Not a wavy distortion but the dimensions of the bottle are off in two of them, then it is wider, then it is narrower:

Snakeisthestuff · 07-26-2018, 10:42 AM

The thing is, you want to use ES to avoid shutter shock, which in my experience can occur below 1/400 shutter speeds and therefore you need to be extra carefull and should always shoot also without ES as backup, in case you did not notice any issues while reviewing on the camera.

I had problems with a 135mm lens handheld, thats when I learned that lesson

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Unregistered User · 07-26-2018, 12:32 PM

I had that problem when shooting fan blades, so I stopped shooting fan blades.

Thagomizer · 07-26-2018, 01:00 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Cipher

I had that problem when shooting fan blades, so I stopped shooting fan blades.

I told my doctor I broke my leg in three places. He told me to stop going there.

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.

(I'll find my own way out)

**clackers** · 07-26-2018, 04:53 PM

Each pixel might have only been exposed for 1/500th second, but there's a difference of about 1/10s between when the top of the frame and the bottom were exposed.

**clackers** · 07-26-2018, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Thagomizer

I told my doctor I broke my leg in three places. He told me to stop going there.

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.

(I'll find my own way out)

I also heard that a man is run over in our streets every two days … it must be you!

**SointulArt** · 07-27-2018, 02:37 PM

That is worth knowing, thanks for posting!

07-26-2018, 09:27 AM - 4 Likes	#1
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07-26-2018, 09:53 AM	#2
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,381	Originally posted by D1N0 Your subject doesn't have to be moving. Camera movement will do it 200mm 1/500th shot on a monopod. The relatively high shutter speed doesn't prevent it. The same shot same shutter speed with mechanical shutter: After this I turned of electronic shutter mode in live view. How much did the camera MOVE? That's crazy. I think you'd be hard pressed to recreate that level of distortion with those exposure parameters with a steady camera.

07-26-2018, 09:53 AM	#3
Tranzistors Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Latvia Photos: Albums Posts: 112	So this is why electronic shutter disables shake reduction. Rolling shutter IS shake [blur] reduction.

07-26-2018, 10:12 AM	#4
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by D1N0 Your subject doesn't have to be moving. Camera movement will do it 200mm 1/500th shot on a monopod. The relatively high shutter speed doesn't prevent it. The "relatively high shutter speed" is misleading. The camera reads the sensor one line at a time, and regardless of the "shutter speed", the overall process takes something like 1/13-th second. Thus, the last line on the sensor comes from a view 1/13-th second after the first line .... and that is what causes the 'rolling shutter' effect.

07-26-2018, 10:22 AM - 1 Like	#5
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	Originally posted by reh321 Thus, the last line on the sensor comes from a view 1/13-th second after the first line So then it is only really usefull on a tripod. It picked up the movement of the monopod in 1/13th of a second quite well. I hadn't noticed it very much before but a wider FOV's the effect will be less apparent. This shot of the same bottle was shot hand held and also show the effect. Not a wavy distortion but the dimensions of the bottle are off in two of them, then it is wider, then it is narrower:

07-26-2018, 10:42 AM	#6
Snakeisthestuff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery Posts: 136	The thing is, you want to use ES to avoid shutter shock, which in my experience can occur below 1/400 shutter speeds and therefore you need to be extra carefull and should always shoot also without ES as backup, in case you did not notice any issues while reviewing on the camera. I had problems with a 135mm lens handheld, thats when I learned that lesson .

07-26-2018, 12:32 PM	#7
Unregistered User Guest	I had that problem when shooting fan blades, so I stopped shooting fan blades.

07-26-2018, 01:00 PM - 4 Likes	#8
Thagomizer Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: London Ontario Posts: 2,068	Originally posted by Cipher I had that problem when shooting fan blades, so I stopped shooting fan blades. I told my doctor I broke my leg in three places. He told me to stop going there. Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week. (I'll find my own way out)

07-26-2018, 04:53 PM	#9
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Each pixel might have only been exposed for 1/500th second, but there's a difference of about 1/10s between when the top of the frame and the bottom were exposed.

07-26-2018, 04:54 PM	#10
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Thagomizer I told my doctor I broke my leg in three places. He told me to stop going there. Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week. (I'll find my own way out) I also heard that a man is run over in our streets every two days … it must be you!

07-27-2018, 02:37 PM	#11
SointulArt Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sointula, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 453	That is worth knowing, thanks for posting!

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