Originally posted by stevebrot Ummmm...yes and sandwiched negatives or multiple exposures in the darkroom also continue to be valid film technique today.
There is a huge disconnect here. Are you saying that nobody will buy your composites done with the K-3? Regarding your K-3, multiple exposure support is hardly rudimentary and fairly flexible. You are asking for a specific form of multiple exposure support that works well for your process and which is found on a high-end P&S aimed at a very different market segment than most professional dSLRs. I have to admit that I am not fully clear what you want the camera to do that would not be better addressed with more creative control by a merge in PP. I suppose I could spend some time with the GR manual, but at face value, it sounds like you want the ability to review all elements of a composite before the camera does the merge. How this capability (pre-merge review for in-camera multiple exposure) results in a more saleable or more valuable image escapes me, but if it works for you, that is cool. For me, a camera is primarily a capture tool and I don't expect it to be particularly flexible for post-exposure processing.
Steve
(...I shoot a fair amount of film and have since the late 1960s, but very seldom have used the ME features of the cameras I own. Even back in the day it was considered a "gee whiz" feature and reviews generally mentioned it in passing.)
thanks for the reply,
No, i'm not saying nobody will by prints i use with the k-3. i'm merely saying that the ricoh implementation trumps that of the k-3's. Id rather use the sensor and lenses of the k-3, but the whole process is made all the more difficult without being able to review before the merge. and I keep finding myself going back to the ricoh.
Take this image for an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/141209833@N06/25887922571/in/dateposted-public/
I took the shot of me in my studio, then walked to the park and was able to look for a perfect second frame from nature, rather than being limited to shots i may have had on my sd card or computer. A customised, personalised second shot. I managed to find a tree, that had all the bark stripped off from it above about 1m. The tree was smooth and bare above the bark. I was able to use the pic of my face to find a line at the edge of the bark that perfectly lined up with my chin. I didn't get the exposure of the second take right the first time, but as there was a review feature, I was able to get the shot on the second or third shot (having already tried lots of other scenes I didn't like) and then I got the shot I wanted. From far more choice comes far more possibility. Its about being able to take away more shots from way more options to find a gem that works out on location and not having to go back and retake the first shot before trying again. If I had tried to do this with the k-3, I would have had to go back and retake my first shot numerous times to get the shot in camera, and I may not have got the shot at all, because after numerous times of not getting it right, I'd have been more likely to call it a day and give up. That simply is not efficient, nor would it help to get a shot giving up. Had I relied on PP, I wouldn't have been out exploring for a comparable second scene in the first place and I would have not got one that was just right. If I did go looking, I'd not have been using the shape and composition of the first shot to find the second shot. I'd be guessing with a second grab and hoping for the best at home on the computer. I would have been limited to pre taken shots, trying to find something that worked. Way way more options out and about, like in nature. Exploring for a second shot live on site with the first frame on the LCD overlay means that I can find a prefect match, on site, there and then. Better shots end up rising to the surface in less time (this is where things come in from a saleable point of view), far more efficiently on the GR than on the K-3. I get better results in camera than in PP as well, as mentioned. (sorry i may be repeating myself a bit...)
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Originally posted by lightsource thanks for the reply,
No, i'm not saying nobody will by prints i use with the k-3. i'm merely saying that the ricoh implementation trumps that of the k-3's. Id rather use the sensor and lenses of the k-3, but the whole process is made all the more difficult without being able to review before the merge. and I keep finding myself going back to the ricoh.
Take this image for an example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/141209833@N06/25887922571/in/dateposted-public/
I took the shot of me in my studio, then walked to the park and was able to look for a perfect second frame from nature, rather than being limited to shots i may have had on my sd card or computer. A customised, personalised second shot. I managed to find a tree, that had all the bark stripped off from it above about 1m. The tree was smooth and bare above the bark. I was able to use the pic of my face to find a line at the edge of the bark that perfectly lined up with my chin. I didn't get the exposure of the second take right the first time, but as there was a review feature, I was able to get the shot on the second or third shot (having already tried lots of other scenes I didn't like) and then I got the shot I wanted. From far more choice comes far more possibility. Its about being able to take away more shots from way more options to find a gem that works out on location and not having to go back and retake the first shot before trying again. If I had tried to do this with the k-3, I would have had to go back and retake my first shot numerous times to get the shot in camera, and I may not have got the shot at all, because after numerous times of not getting it right, I'd have been more likely to call it a day and give up. That simply is not efficient, nor would it help to get a shot giving up. Had I relied on PP, I wouldn't have been out exploring for a comparable second scene in the first place and I would have not got one that was just right. I would have been limited to pre taken shots, trying to find something that worked. Way way more options out and about, like in nature. Exploring for a second shot live on site with the first frame on the LCD overlay means that I can find a prefect match, on site, there and then. Better shots end up rising to the surface in less time (this is where things come in from a saleable point of view), far more efficiently on the GR than on the K-3. I get better results in camera than in PP as well, as mentioned. (sorry i may be repeating myself a bit...)
I too see the camera as a capture tool. Its a very capable tool and a creative tool also. Creative prints sell. Just one of the things I like to do. A review feature would make the process oh so much more efficient and enjoyable. I'm 100% confident I'd end up with way more shots, thus way more opportunity to sell prints for an income. If i get the shots in camera, then Im not using my time later to do it in PP with results less than what I can achieve in camera. Though, maybe there is room for me to improve in PP. Maybe I should keep my options and mind open to it.