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04-01-2016, 09:42 AM   #76
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
So, which 36MP FF camera are you buying to do your video??
One could buy the Sony A7II (24MP FF) or A7RII (42MP FF) if one wanted sensor-shift SR for video. On top of that, those cameras can shoot 4K.

If you don't want sensor-shift SR and in-lens SR is OK, then ANY FF DSLR from Canon or Nikon would work.

If you don't care about FF, then the there are even more options, notably the Canon 70D and 80D and all the mirrorless options.

This isn't necessarily about the fact that the K-1 is FF, but that it is Pentax' latest offering and follows the pattern set with the K-3 of crippling SR in video.

I honestly don't see the point in lying to oneself about this. If you buy the K-1, you're getting less value than these other FF cameras offer (and in some cases not paying a much lower price), UNLESS you absolutely require GPS and Astrotracer (which is rather hard to believe). In that case, AFAIK, Pentax is the only game in town.

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To reach that same standard in video
I have a film making friend so yeah, I get what you're saying. I also get that some folks want more features, but at least from the wildlife documentaries I've seen, if I saw your video samples spliced in, I don't think I'd say, 'wtf just happened to the video quality all of the sudden!?' Your samples are proof that our current Pentax cameras can get the video job done for still photographers when needed/desired (or as you said, they have "functional video capability"). You've definitely inspired me to shoot more video in situations like these. (Now if I can just get out there like you do! haha!)
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I don't do videos.....there are plenty of great video cameras, and If I did I'd just buy one.

I thank the OP for the manual, but honestly, it overwhelms me. I am getting far more camera than I need....I just hope I can handle it. For me it's like giving the keys to a Lamborghini to my 11 year old grandson.

In time I may learn a few new things, but it won't be overnight. I'm worse than an old dog...more like an old cat.....Old dogs want to learn new tricks but are short on what it takes. Old cats just don't want to learn new stuff, they want things just as they are.

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I am getting far more camera than I need....I just hope I can handle it.
I'll trade you my K-50 for it?

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I thank the OP for the manual
No problem


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I'll trade you my K-50 for it?
I can't trust you to give me the K50 for my K1 Bert. I'd love to trade, but trusting a bacon/ham hater is going too far for me.

Once people start to learn of your bacon/ham hatred, your friend list is going to diminish!

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QuoteOriginally posted by nevermindhim Quote
One could buy the Sony A7II (24MP FF) or A7RII (42MP FF) if one wanted sensor-shift SR for video. On top of that, those cameras can shoot 4K.

If you don't want sensor-shift SR and in-lens SR is OK, then ANY FF DSLR from Canon or Nikon would work.

If you don't care about FF, then the there are even more options, notably the Canon 70D and 80D and all the mirrorless options.

This isn't necessarily about the fact that the K-1 is FF, but that it is Pentax' latest offering and follows the pattern set with the K-3 of crippling SR in video.

I honestly don't see the point in lying to oneself about this. If you buy the K-1, you're getting less value than these other FF cameras offer (and in some cases not paying a much lower price), UNLESS you absolutely require GPS and Astrotracer (which is rather hard to believe). In that case, AFAIK, Pentax is the only game in town.
Unless you assign zero value to video. Then your FF choices are D810 and K-1.

How many of those nice cameras has Pixel Shift? Why not? They're trying to trick you into thinking video on a camera is a thing. It's a kludge. They're inferior cameras in pretty wrappers.

Stop comparing this camera to bodies it doesn't compete with. When Pentax releases a 42Mp BSI with a different processor, if it doesn't have 4K and all the other trimmings then we'll talk.

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There's no mention of 1:1 or 4:3 crop either. Unless I missed it the various aspect ratio options for in-camera editing and developing are not listed either. These aspect ratios are listed in some of the other manuals for editing and developing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by nevermindhim Quote
One could buy the Sony A7II (24MP FF) or A7RII (42MP FF) if one wanted sensor-shift SR for video. On top of that, those cameras can shoot 4K.

If you don't want sensor-shift SR and in-lens SR is OK, then ANY FF DSLR from Canon or Nikon would work.

If you don't care about FF, then the there are even more options, notably the Canon 70D and 80D and all the mirrorless options.

This isn't necessarily about the fact that the K-1 is FF, but that it is Pentax' latest offering and follows the pattern set with the K-3 of crippling SR in video.
We still don't know which camera you will buy {and therefore which forum will become your new home}

Have you actually investigated any of these cameras? Of the FF cameras, only the 24MP Nikon D610 ($1297) and the 20MP Canon 6D ($1399) are priced lower than the Pentax K-1. The least expensive 36MP FF {*} camera is the Nikon D810, which costs $1000 more than the K-1, and the 42MP Sony A7Rii is an additional $401 more. If you want nice video, then you will have to pay dearly for it. Many here are here because they do value the quality they have come to expect from Pentax and do not value video.

{*} apart from the K-1, all FF camera bodies priced lower than the D810 are 24MP or less

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I honestly don't see the point in lying to oneself about this. If you buy the K-1, you're getting less value than these other FF cameras offer (and in some cases not paying a much lower price), UNLESS you absolutely require GPS and Astrotracer (which is rather hard to believe). In that case, AFAIK, Pentax is the only game in town.
If you are honest, you will admit that this completely depends on how you value photographic equipment. I have made two videos in my life - once when I accidentally slid the switch to the wrong position and missed the picture I actually wanted. To me, video adds zero value to the camera, while increasing MP by 50% adds considerable value, and the flipping LCD {neither the D610 nor the 6D does this} adds additional value. In all this evaluation, I never once mentioned GPS and Astrotracer.

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I'd love to trade, but trusting a bacon/ham hater is going too far for me.
I'm not a bacon/ham hater, I'm a bacon/ham disliker!
There is a difference!
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
We still don't know which camera you will buy {and therefore which forum will become your new home}

Have you actually investigated any of these cameras? Of the FF cameras, only the 24MP Nikon D610 ($1297) and the 20MP Canon 6D ($1399) are priced lower than the Pentax K-1. The least expensive 36MP FF {*} camera is the Nikon D810, which costs $1000 more than the K-1, and the 42MP Sony A7Rii is an additional $401 more. If you want nice video, then you will have to pay dearly for it. Many here are here because they do value the quality they have come to expect from Pentax and do not value video.

{*} apart from the K-1, all FF camera bodies priced lower than the D810 are 24MP or less


If you are honest, you will admit that this completely depends on how you value photographic equipment. I have made two videos in my life - once when I accidentally slid the switch to the wrong position and missed the picture I actually wanted. To me, video adds zero value to the camera, while increasing MP by 50% adds considerable value, and the flipping LCD {neither the D610 nor the 6D does this} adds additional value. In all this evaluation, I never once mentioned GPS and Astrotracer.
Sounds like your argument for staying with Pentax is to do it to spite you... Not a very compelling reason.

Of course I've investigated those other cameras. Most have been on the market for a while, are also available used. And the A7II is available new cheaper than the K-1.

Yes, it depends--everything depends. Some people still shoot film. Basically every other brand offers some kind of physically stabilized video and Pentax doesn't, you have to factor that into the cost. What does it cost to buy a Pentax K-1 AND a Panasonic GH4 + lenses?

Don't you get that Pentax is locking you out of stabilized video? The body won't do it and the lenses won't do it. That's very unique situation to be in 2016.
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I care about video only inasmuch as it will make more people happy with the Pentax brand if it were better in ways that they want it to be better.

As for my own use, I actually care more about the full frame sensor, improved IQ, moon-lander style LCD, handling, GPS, Astrotracer, and some of you other guys's rusty rats' arses and flattened skunks more than video.
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QuoteOriginally posted by nevermindhim Quote
UNLESS you absolutely require GPS and Astrotracer (which is rather hard to believe). In that case, AFAIK, Pentax is the only game in town.
That would be me. Are you saying I am a liar?
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Don't you get that Pentax is locking you out of stabilized video? The body won't do it and the lenses won't do it. That's very unique situation to be in 2016.
And why would I care? Seriously. Why? Stabilized video is of no use to me. Zero.
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On the subject of the K-1 manual - the Dropbox account is now locked because the account is generating too much traffic.

My Dropbox account is now deleted and the app is removed from my tablet and phone.

Thanks so much for trying to help the Pentax community!!
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And why would I care? Seriously. Why? Stabilized video is of no use to me. Zero.
And if you are making one of those awful "found footage" epics you don't want stabilized video in the first place.
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