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04-26-2016, 02:11 PM   #121
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QuoteOriginally posted by GoremanX Quote
And no, if pre-orders do not count as "paying for it" because they don't get billed to the card until the product ships.
Due location (Mexico) i use PayPal to buy on Adorama or BH (CC needs several other steps to be accepted on the stores, or requested for the bank to clear the payment) and i already was charged for the K1 and the grip. So yes... my preorder count as payed for it.





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Still cheating... no K-1 in hand, not an owner
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QuoteOriginally posted by GoremanX Quote
Still cheating... no K-1 in hand, not an owner
You need to check the meaning of own. I have legal entitlement to the camera. I do not need to have it in possession to own it. All of us who have already parted with the money have legal title to one of the cameras. We are proud owners but not yet happy possesors Let it lie.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mikesul Quote
We are proud owners but not yet happy possesors
I call thread winner on the quoted quip.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mikesul Quote
You need to check the meaning of own. I have legal entitlement to the camera. I do not need to have it in possession to own it. All of us who have already parted with the money have legal title to one of the cameras. We are proud owners but not yet happy possesors Let it lie.
Oh boy, I love the attempt at being all legally technical. Have fun pretending!
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Dude. WTH.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mikesul Quote
You need to check the meaning of own. I have legal entitlement to the camera. I do not need to have it in possession to own it. All of us who have already parted with the money have legal title to one of the cameras. We are proud owners but not yet happy possesors Let it lie.
Most places don't charge until it ships, who did you buy from who required payment before it shipped?
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If you use PayPal they actually take the money when you place the order - even for out-of-stock, backordered or pre-ordered items.

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Most places don't charge until it ships, who did you buy from who required payment before it shipped?
Monochrome has it right. I chose to pay with Paypal after first paying with a credit card and cancelling that first order. I know what I am doing and am quite happy with that decision. I value this forum for information and help with photography. I hope the K-1 starts shipping soon so we can return to photography issues.
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Paypal has a pay on delivery option.
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Paypal has a pay on delivery option.
Maybe, but BH policies say PayPal orders are payed when the order is made.

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QuoteOriginally posted by GoremanX Quote
Oh boy, I love the attempt at being all legally technical. Have fun pretending!

More than 1600 posts, yet one "like"
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Interesting discussion.... I don't work in procurement, but I thought a Sales order (like a purchase order) constitutes a legal binding contract, as soon as they accept the order. The owe me a K1 and as a consideration, I owe then $1799. They have a claim of ownership on my $1799 and I have a claim of ownership on one of their K1 (Pending delays due to stock and Passover and other holidays...) as You can tell, I am no lawyer either... I just watched 'suits' last month
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Your point is correct by french law : even if your credit card has only been "earmarked" with a very small debit (like transaction fee) the sale is reputed to be confirmed.
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