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04-28-2016, 11:31 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
You can nominate any image processing application as the recipient of output from Capture One and it is possible to pass multiple images along in one go. Results from the external application are imported back to Capture One.

I sympathise with the idea of having everything integrated but then a lot depends on how well those "all under one hood" tools work. For instance, the panorama stitching by ICE (Microsoft) is heaps better than the integrated functionality in Photoshop. In such instances, I prefer the specialists.
The recent days I read the book "Capture One Pro 9" by Sascha Erni - eBook version. Much background information and tips. I'd recommend it to get some insight and understanding of CO.


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No need any petition...Capture One will have support of K-1's PEF soon, no any doubts.
This is true; there is nothing to petition with respect to this..
May take a little while, though.
The question is whether they will support pixel shift.
So far, they haven't for K3 or -II

I use neither LR nor C1 images database. My understanding, though, is that the LR database is preferred by many... I do prefer C1 editor.

If anyone has considered C1 in the past but hasn't checked C1 9, there have been some changes to the DB that may or may not be significant to any user. The new ability to use curves without affecting saturation is very nice as well as making masks by choosing color.
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third, lens names are not shown as in the past - only the focal length ist shown in CO. It's caused by the fact that pentax stores the info in pentax specific meta data that are not supported by CO by now. I also asked for better support of pentax.
Thanks.

I think actually Pentax dropped the ball because they are not using the standard field for the lens name, but if Lightroom can account for that then C1 should as well.

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fourth, an ICC profile "DNG File Neutral" is used. It fits quite good IMO. Really no complaints from my side.
Glad you like it.

However, the generic profile for the K100D isn't as good as the dedicated one for the K-5 II for example. And often a good profile will not necessearily show its worth with every image, but in successfully dealing with certain challenging images. Some images don't require well-crafted profiles, but some benefit from them.
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I use neither LR nor C1 images database. My understanding, though, is that the LR database is preferred by many... I do prefer C1 editor.
I think the "LR is the better database" idea stems from older C1 versions which had more rudimentary DAM support.

As you also mentioned, there have been recent improvements to keywording and I'm hard pressed to come up with any LR DAM support that isn't matched by the latest version of C1.

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C1 is my preferred raw processor too. I don't really expect them to get around to implementing changes to accept the PS files any time soon, so my workaround is to open the PS files in PDCU and save the resulting image for export to C1 (or wherever). I have been using Media Pro as a DAM, but that will not even read JPEG files made with the K-1. Very odd. I might raise a query with Phase One about it.

I never or rarely use lightroom, I only have it these days because I pay adobe $10 per month for Photo shop.

BTW we will need to come up with a new acronym for Pixel shifting, other wise photo shopping a Pixel shifted image is going to read as 'PS edited in PS'

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BTW we will need to come up with a new acronym for Pixel shifting, other wise photo shopping a Pixel shifted image is going to read as 'PS edited in PS'
I agree, PS can only ever be interpreted in the context of a sentence and when both PSs (Photo Shop and Pixel Shift) make their appearance it doesn't work

So I suggest re-christening Pixel Shift to PPS namely Pentax Pixel Shift, it would be a useful alternative to keep the two apart me thinks.

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I agree
I've always found that I like people who agree with me......

...but unfortunately I cannot agree with PPS, that acronym is taken. How about PST? Pixel Shift Technology. It will help when the dozy behemoths catch up.
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Ok why the petition?!
If you are user of CO you should know that they in there lab making color renditeon profile for every camera, it just takes time that's all. Petition for tethering on other hand would be thing to do, but sice 645z is direct competition to CO MF cameras it will never happen...

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This is true; there is nothing to petition with respect to this..
May take a little while, though.
The question is whether they will support pixel shift.
So far, they haven't for K3 or -II
As it for now LR not support K-1 PIxel Ship correctly too. Soft images with all kind of artifacts are reported.

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QuoteOriginally posted by i83N Quote
Ok why the petition?!
If you are user of CO you should know that they in there lab making color renditeon profile for every camera, it just takes time that's all. Petition for tethering on other hand would be thing to do, but sice 645z is direct competition to CO MF cameras it will never happen...
What not many people here on this forum seem to know, is that Phase one actually des offer camera support by user demand. It can make a difference of at least a couple of months in support time between cameras that many users petition to be supported in CO1, and cameras that nobody makes a sound about.
Either way, it wll eventually be supported, but a couple of months can be worth the effort.
The K3 e.g. took 6 (SIX) months to be supported, and that was after actual release! Phase one is no Adobe in that regard, they have a miniscule software developing team in comparison. Moreover: they have a more elaborate profiling routine.

So, if you would like the K1 supported before the end of the year, it makes a lot of sense to contact their support and let them know.

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I've always found that I like people who agree with me....
Thanks for that,
...and they are entitled to your opinion; right ?
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Capture One 9.2 supports the Pentax K-1 and is now available for download.

Thanks to everyone who has helped to make this happen!

P.S.: I have already used CO 9.01 with K-1 DNG files and look forward to comparing results with using the new PEF support in CO 9.2. My download is still ongoing at this point.
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I have already used CO 9.01 with K-1 DNG files and look forward to comparing results with using the new PEF support in CO 9.2.
Pls do that.
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I just did a quick test with one scene and the new PEF support looks identical to the DNG support that existed before.

It seems they just enabled the new file format without creating a new colour profile or improving the support for metadata (the lens name is still not reported correctly).

Whether they thought that the colour profile embedded in DNGs was optimal or not, I don't know.

The difference to the OOC JPG colours is not that big, but definitely noticeable (remember though that I only looked at one scene so far). I actually prefer the DNG colours out of the box. Contrast, brightness, etc. seems identical but the images developed from RAW data (DNG/PEF) have less blue greens than the OOC JPGs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
I just did a quick test with one scene and the new PEF support looks identical to the DNG support that existed before.

It seems they just enabled the new file format without creating a new colour profile or improving the support for metadata (the lens name is still not reported correctly).

Whether they thought that the colour profile embedded in DNGs was optimal or not, I don't know.

The difference to the OOC JPG colours is not that big, but definitely noticeable (remember though that I only looked at one scene so far). I actually prefer the DNG colours out of the box. Contrast, brightness, etc. seems identical but the images developed from RAW data (DNG/PEF) have less blue greens than the OOC JPGs.
Ah, now that sounds like typical Phase One "rush camera support out the door with paste/copy color profile" behavior. This is not true CO1 standard support, to get tht, you will have to face a battle with their support to get them to profile the camera. Most likely only Nikon and Canon users, and Sony lately, get true support without battling for it. Other brand users may be brushed off with their illustrious copy/pasting of color profiles.
I went through all the hoops with the Pentax K3. I don't have the K1, but hope someone will get Phase one to profile the camera, because it can make a lot of difference color-wise
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K1 request lodged

Thanks, I've signed up and lodged a a support request
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