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**DDoram** · 06-13-2016, 08:51 AM - **2 Likes**

Can the K1 Pixel Shift feature be used for outdoor macro work? While we know that the Pixel Shift is not meant to be used during lots of motion, how does it work in mild windy conditions at ISO 8000? I decided to give it a try. This example was with the DFA 100 macro and Pixel Shift motion correction was turned on. The ISO was cranked up high to increase shutter speeds to help deal with the mild wind. Example below. Note the original file is too large to post so it is a small version but looks quite clean for ISO 8000.

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**BigMackCam** · 06-13-2016, 09:04 AM

Impressive! Out of interest, is this a processed raw file (and, if so, any NR added in post-processing) or straight-out-of-camera JPEG, and what reproduction ratio?

Not a Number · 06-13-2016, 09:12 AM

You can always do comparison shots with MC on or off. Or develop the Raws with MC on vs off.

People won't know the limits of Pixel Shift and Motion Correction until they push the limits instead of simply saying "You can't do this or that" and not trying shots.

**DDoram** · 06-13-2016, 09:12 AM

It was a DNG processed in DCU (a painful program to use) and exported to LR as a TIFF. Not sure of reproduction ratio.

**BigMackCam** · 06-13-2016, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by DDoram

It was a DNG processed in DCU (a painful program to use) and exported to LR as a TIFF. Not sure of reproduction ratio.

Thanks for the info

Na Horuk · 06-13-2016, 09:32 AM

Wow, that is great! Nice colours, DR, no terrible noise, lots of detail, no PS problems

**jatrax** · 06-13-2016, 10:31 AM

Great shot! I wonder though if the 8000ISO negates the pixel shift improvements? I mean that it would be interesting to compare this PS shot with a lower ISO one without PS.

**DDoram** · 06-13-2016, 12:15 PM

Because of wind, it would be difficult to shoot at low ISO anyway so difficult to compare.

Gimbal · 06-13-2016, 12:38 PM

While it does look good, my guess is that it is only the first frame we are looking at.
Even if you use high iso and keep the shutter speed short, there is a delay between the shots that is quite long and if something moves it has plenty of time to do so between the individual pictures. And as far as I know PS with motion correction will fall back to the pixels from the first frame as soon as any motion is detected, and if this rose moves, the entire rose moves.

Na Horuk · 06-13-2016, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Great shot! I wonder though if the 8000ISO negates the pixel shift improvements? I mean that it would be interesting to compare this PS shot with a lower ISO one without PS.

Even if it does, it is amazing that you can get such a clean, detailed photo from ISO 8000, even with slight wind. I mean, on some older cameras even ISO 1600 looks terrible. And these shots prove that slight wind is not a problem for PS - great news!

**BigMackCam** · 06-13-2016, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

Even if it does, it is amazing that you can get such a clean, detailed photo from ISO 8000,

Yep, it's the detail that impresses me. A little post-processing work on my K3 files can usually make ISO 3200 - 6400 look pretty good, but detail is disappearing fast, especially at 6400 and beyond. This K1 shot at ISO 8000 looks *great*

cali92rs · 06-13-2016, 03:45 PM

There is nice detail in there...in fact, I would probably lower the NR a bit because it is getting to the point where you have a bit of the plasticky look.

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06-13-2016, 09:04 AM	#2
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Impressive! Out of interest, is this a processed raw file (and, if so, any NR added in post-processing) or straight-out-of-camera JPEG, and what reproduction ratio?

06-13-2016, 09:12 AM	#3
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	You can always do comparison shots with MC on or off. Or develop the Raws with MC on vs off. People won't know the limits of Pixel Shift and Motion Correction until they push the limits instead of simply saying "You can't do this or that" and not trying shots.

06-13-2016, 09:12 AM	#4
DDoram Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada Posts: 632 Original Poster	It was a DNG processed in DCU (a painful program to use) and exported to LR as a TIFF. Not sure of reproduction ratio.

06-13-2016, 09:15 AM	#5
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Originally posted by DDoram It was a DNG processed in DCU (a painful program to use) and exported to LR as a TIFF. Not sure of reproduction ratio. Thanks for the info

06-13-2016, 09:32 AM	#6
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Wow, that is great! Nice colours, DR, no terrible noise, lots of detail, no PS problems

06-13-2016, 10:31 AM	#7
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,992	Great shot! I wonder though if the 8000ISO negates the pixel shift improvements? I mean that it would be interesting to compare this PS shot with a lower ISO one without PS.

06-13-2016, 12:15 PM	#8
DDoram Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada Posts: 632 Original Poster	Because of wind, it would be difficult to shoot at low ISO anyway so difficult to compare.

06-13-2016, 12:38 PM	#9
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	While it does look good, my guess is that it is only the first frame we are looking at. Even if you use high iso and keep the shutter speed short, there is a delay between the shots that is quite long and if something moves it has plenty of time to do so between the individual pictures. And as far as I know PS with motion correction will fall back to the pixels from the first frame as soon as any motion is detected, and if this rose moves, the entire rose moves.

06-13-2016, 12:47 PM	#10
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Originally posted by jatrax Great shot! I wonder though if the 8000ISO negates the pixel shift improvements? I mean that it would be interesting to compare this PS shot with a lower ISO one without PS. Even if it does, it is amazing that you can get such a clean, detailed photo from ISO 8000, even with slight wind. I mean, on some older cameras even ISO 1600 looks terrible. And these shots prove that slight wind is not a problem for PS - great news!

06-13-2016, 12:54 PM	#11
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Originally posted by Na Horuk Even if it does, it is amazing that you can get such a clean, detailed photo from ISO 8000, Yep, it's the detail that impresses me. A little post-processing work on my K3 files can usually make ISO 3200 - 6400 look pretty good, but detail is disappearing fast, especially at 6400 and beyond. This K1 shot at ISO 8000 looks great

06-13-2016, 03:45 PM	#12
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	There is nice detail in there...in fact, I would probably lower the NR a bit because it is getting to the point where you have a bit of the plasticky look.

K1 Outdoor Macro Pixel Shift: ISO 8000

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