K1 mark ii - speculation on development roadmap

Rupert · 07-19-2016, 06:03 PM - **1 Like**

I just got my K1 a few weeks ago when it first shipped.....I was lucky.

Now someone is trying to make it obsolete in my mind with some new fantasy model. I'm gonna try to stay happy with the K1 I have....since I am happy beyond words..... and not do any "pie in the sky" daydreaming.

We are just never happy...are we?

Heck, lots of people are still lusting for a K1 they can't get due to shortages.....and here we are longing for something new????

Regards!

**monochrome** · 07-19-2016, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

I just got my K1 a few weeks ago when it first shipped.....I was lucky.

Now someone is trying to make it obsolete in my mind with some new fantasy model. I'm gonna try to stay happy with the K1 I have....since I am happy beyond words..... and not do any "pie in the sky" daydreaming.

We are just never happy...are we?

Heck, lots of people are still lusting for a K1 they can't get due to shortages.....and here we are longing for something new????

Regards!

I got mine May 6th. My right eye is so accustomed to the small size of the K-3 viewfinder that I constantly find myself looking above and left of the center spot.

And I really was disappointed by the silver box.

Rupert · 07-19-2016, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

And I really was disappointed by the silver box.

Yes, me too

...almost sent it back...the box, that is!

Regards & Happy K1 shooting for a longtime to come!

**felixkh** · 07-19-2016, 07:40 PM - **1 Like**

The K1 is a very wonderful camera to own and I do not regret getting it. Especially with the FA*28-70/2.8 fixed to the front.

tomO2013 · 07-19-2016, 07:44 PM

Firstly looking to the future and wanting for improvements in no way insinuates that I am unhappy with the current K1. I also agree with another poster, there is a lot of hardware and processing power in the K1. I would imagine a firmware update would go a long way to improving AF - clearly hardware is in place already (25 cross type compared with its competitors) and a processing engine derived from the 645z.

In response to another poster, I've recently been asked if I can provide video services in addition to stills (I'm a hobbyist who gets the odd paid gig right now).
It would be nice to have but I could wait.
I would also be willing to pay extra for faster memory card e.g. dual xqd and larger buffer and frame rate with same or smaller MP count. I KNOW pentax do not offer this right now, but I'd personally love to see them expand their FF body lineup, similar to Nikon and Canon. Yes Pentax is not nikon or canon but there are company nevertheless and are in it for the money.

The final thing I would love to see (and thanks Adam for linking the road map) is 35mm * 1.4, 50mm * 1.4 and 85mm * 1.4 weather sealed lenses. This I feel would go a long way to increasing their market share although judging by preorders and wait lists, there are a lot of people enjoying or waiting to enjoy the K1 (despite DPReviews comments on AF!)

biz-engineer · 07-19-2016, 09:40 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by HopelessTogger

Sort the AF out. Been a struggle on a two day commercial shoot, it's too slow (D-FA* 2.8/70-200). Customise more of the buttons, especially back button AF. Buffer, needs way more. FPS, needs more. Shutter button needs feedback. Scroll wheels must work without half pressing the shutter button between shots (this is really doing my head in).

I used to orient myself with a map and have a compass in case, it was slow but very reliable. Now I use a GPS, my orientation skills have dropped significantly, and when GPS lead me into a wrong path it upsets me against the GPS.

This AF thing... since the D5/D500 was announced, I don't know why , but all my subjects are moving faster to try to escape the camera viewfinder. because my models know that the D5 was out so they are making it more difficult to photograph them, of course, it the law of adaption. AF gets better and photo subjects try to escape it. In the 1980s, photographic subjects were moving only slightly faster than what manual focus could do, so that everyone was looking forward to autofocus.

Tesla · 07-19-2016, 09:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

4K video is already obsolete (before you even had time to use it), now it's going to be 8K.

The technology is there, but not going to happen. 4k will be the standard for many years.

HopelessTogger · 07-19-2016, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I used to orient myself with a map and have a compass in case, it was slow but very reliable. Now I use a GPS, my orientation skills have dropped significantly, and when GPS lead me into a wrong path it upsets me against the GPS.

This AF thing... since the D5/D500 was announced, I don't know why , but all my subjects are moving faster to try to escape the camera viewfinder. because my models know that the D5 was out so they are making it more difficult to photograph them, of course, it the law of adaption. AF gets better and photo subjects try to escape it. In the 1980s, photographic subjects were moving only slightly faster than what manual focus could do, so that everyone was looking forward to autofocus.

Still shouldn't be as slow as it is, not in 2016.

Pentax need to sort this.

LensBeginner · 07-20-2016, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

4K video is already obsolete (before you even had time to use it), now it's going to be 8K.

My HDD's free space strongly disagrees...

FantasticMrFox · 07-20-2016, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Ash

They would have to be careful not to cannibalise their MF offerings with a whiz-bang FF camera that exceeds the 645Z in features. Or else release a 645Z II with the same or better feature set...

The 'features' of the vast majority of MF cameras on the market are well below those of most FF cameras. The focus systems are less sophisticated, frame rates slower and so on. The one redeeming feature is the image quality from a much larger sensor. People are still buying Hasselblad or PhaseOne over a Canon 5D Mk III or Nikon D810, so why would people not buy a 645Z over a K1 II?

RonHendriks1966 · 07-20-2016, 07:50 AM

Some things are easy to forsee.

- the milbeaut processor will have a new faster version end 2017 or maybe beginnen 2018. They are on a 2 year cycle and the current one in the K-1 is just released end 2015.
- developing a new version af-module will take some two years, unless you would count little upgrades.

So don't expect anything in following the K-1 before CP+ 2018.

Class A · 07-20-2016, 11:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Paul2660

I also don't see Phase One coming out with a pixel shift solution either.

Another forum member stated they have been in contact with Phase One about PixelShift for the K-1 and that it will just take them time to implement it.

Honestly, though, I'll believe it when I see it. Some at Phase One may think that a K-1 with PixelShift support would somewhat compete with MF cameras Phase One is offering. I don't think there is an overlap in markets, but it does not matter what I personally think.

N.b., Capture One 9 Pro (by Phase One) is a great RAW converter and I have replaced Lightroom with it.

P.S.: The K-1 is a delight to use. I don't see it being replaced for quite a while to come. Demand and interest still seem to be high, even after the initial rush. A very well-deserved success for Ricoh!

HopelessTogger · 07-21-2016, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Class A

Another forum member stated they have been in contact with Phase One about PixelShift for the K-1 and that it will just take them time to implement it.

Honestly, though, I'll believe it when I see it. Some at Phase One may think that a K-1 with PixelShift support would somewhat compete with MF cameras Phase One is offering. I don't think there is an overlap in markets, but it does not matter what I personally think.

N.b., Capture One 9 Pro (by Phase One) is a great RAW converter and I have replaced Lightroom with it.

P.S.: The K-1 is a delight to use. I don't see it being replaced for quite a while to come. Demand and interest still seem to be high, even after the initial rush. A very well-deserved success for Ricoh!

Of all things photographic that need improvement, the number one is Adobe's RAW converter.

LensBeginner · 07-22-2016, 01:32 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by HopelessTogger

Of all things photographic that need improvement, the number one is Adobe's RAW converter.

That I'm afraid will not happen unless Pentax is per$uasive with Adobe the way others are... I hate to suspect that those things work this way, but I do...

HopelessTogger · 07-22-2016, 01:46 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by LensBeginner

That I'm afraid will not happen unless Pentax is per$uasive with Adobe the way others are... I hate to suspect that those things work this way, but I do...

Adobe's LR RAW engine is prosumer at best for all camera brands. Capture One's is superb, but the user interface really takes some understanding.

07-19-2016, 06:35 PM	#18
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by monochrome And I really was disappointed by the silver box. Yes, me too...almost sent it back...the box, that is! Regards & Happy K1 shooting for a longtime to come!

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07-19-2016, 06:03 PM - 1 Like	#16
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	I just got my K1 a few weeks ago when it first shipped.....I was lucky. Now someone is trying to make it obsolete in my mind with some new fantasy model. I'm gonna try to stay happy with the K1 I have....since I am happy beyond words..... and not do any "pie in the sky" daydreaming. We are just never happy...are we? Heck, lots of people are still lusting for a K1 they can't get due to shortages.....and here we are longing for something new???? Regards!

07-19-2016, 06:12 PM	#17
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Rupert I just got my K1 a few weeks ago when it first shipped.....I was lucky. Now someone is trying to make it obsolete in my mind with some new fantasy model. I'm gonna try to stay happy with the K1 I have....since I am happy beyond words..... and not do any "pie in the sky" daydreaming. We are just never happy...are we? Heck, lots of people are still lusting for a K1 they can't get due to shortages.....and here we are longing for something new???? Regards! I got mine May 6th. My right eye is so accustomed to the small size of the K-3 viewfinder that I constantly find myself looking above and left of the center spot. And I really was disappointed by the silver box.

07-19-2016, 07:40 PM - 1 Like	#19
felixkh Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,201	The K1 is a very wonderful camera to own and I do not regret getting it. Especially with the FA*28-70/2.8 fixed to the front.

07-19-2016, 07:44 PM	#20
tomO2013 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 155 Original Poster	Firstly looking to the future and wanting for improvements in no way insinuates that I am unhappy with the current K1. I also agree with another poster, there is a lot of hardware and processing power in the K1. I would imagine a firmware update would go a long way to improving AF - clearly hardware is in place already (25 cross type compared with its competitors) and a processing engine derived from the 645z. In response to another poster, I've recently been asked if I can provide video services in addition to stills (I'm a hobbyist who gets the odd paid gig right now). It would be nice to have but I could wait. I would also be willing to pay extra for faster memory card e.g. dual xqd and larger buffer and frame rate with same or smaller MP count. I KNOW pentax do not offer this right now, but I'd personally love to see them expand their FF body lineup, similar to Nikon and Canon. Yes Pentax is not nikon or canon but there are company nevertheless and are in it for the money. The final thing I would love to see (and thanks Adam for linking the road map) is 35mm * 1.4, 50mm * 1.4 and 85mm * 1.4 weather sealed lenses. This I feel would go a long way to increasing their market share although judging by preorders and wait lists, there are a lot of people enjoying or waiting to enjoy the K1 (despite DPReviews comments on AF!)

07-19-2016, 09:40 PM - 1 Like	#21
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by HopelessTogger Sort the AF out. Been a struggle on a two day commercial shoot, it's too slow (D-FA* 2.8/70-200). Customise more of the buttons, especially back button AF. Buffer, needs way more. FPS, needs more. Shutter button needs feedback. Scroll wheels must work without half pressing the shutter button between shots (this is really doing my head in). I used to orient myself with a map and have a compass in case, it was slow but very reliable. Now I use a GPS, my orientation skills have dropped significantly, and when GPS lead me into a wrong path it upsets me against the GPS. This AF thing... since the D5/D500 was announced, I don't know why , but all my subjects are moving faster to try to escape the camera viewfinder. because my models know that the D5 was out so they are making it more difficult to photograph them, of course, it the law of adaption. AF gets better and photo subjects try to escape it. In the 1980s, photographic subjects were moving only slightly faster than what manual focus could do, so that everyone was looking forward to autofocus.

07-19-2016, 09:47 PM - 1 Like	#22
Tesla Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 589	Originally posted by biz-engineer 4K video is already obsolete (before you even had time to use it), now it's going to be 8K. The technology is there, but not going to happen. 4k will be the standard for many years.

07-19-2016, 09:53 PM	#23
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by biz-engineer I used to orient myself with a map and have a compass in case, it was slow but very reliable. Now I use a GPS, my orientation skills have dropped significantly, and when GPS lead me into a wrong path it upsets me against the GPS. This AF thing... since the D5/D500 was announced, I don't know why , but all my subjects are moving faster to try to escape the camera viewfinder. because my models know that the D5 was out so they are making it more difficult to photograph them, of course, it the law of adaption. AF gets better and photo subjects try to escape it. In the 1980s, photographic subjects were moving only slightly faster than what manual focus could do, so that everyone was looking forward to autofocus. Still shouldn't be as slow as it is, not in 2016. Pentax need to sort this.

07-20-2016, 12:20 AM	#24
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by biz-engineer 4K video is already obsolete (before you even had time to use it), now it's going to be 8K. My HDD's free space strongly disagrees...

07-20-2016, 07:22 AM	#25
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by Ash They would have to be careful not to cannibalise their MF offerings with a whiz-bang FF camera that exceeds the 645Z in features. Or else release a 645Z II with the same or better feature set... The 'features' of the vast majority of MF cameras on the market are well below those of most FF cameras. The focus systems are less sophisticated, frame rates slower and so on. The one redeeming feature is the image quality from a much larger sensor. People are still buying Hasselblad or PhaseOne over a Canon 5D Mk III or Nikon D810, so why would people not buy a 645Z over a K1 II?

07-20-2016, 07:50 AM	#26
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Some things are easy to forsee. - the milbeaut processor will have a new faster version end 2017 or maybe beginnen 2018. They are on a 2 year cycle and the current one in the K-1 is just released end 2015. - developing a new version af-module will take some two years, unless you would count little upgrades. So don't expect anything in following the K-1 before CP+ 2018.

07-20-2016, 11:03 PM - 1 Like	#27
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Paul2660 I also don't see Phase One coming out with a pixel shift solution either. Another forum member stated they have been in contact with Phase One about PixelShift for the K-1 and that it will just take them time to implement it. Honestly, though, I'll believe it when I see it. Some at Phase One may think that a K-1 with PixelShift support would somewhat compete with MF cameras Phase One is offering. I don't think there is an overlap in markets, but it does not matter what I personally think. N.b., Capture One 9 Pro (by Phase One) is a great RAW converter and I have replaced Lightroom with it. P.S.: The K-1 is a delight to use. I don't see it being replaced for quite a while to come. Demand and interest still seem to be high, even after the initial rush. A very well-deserved success for Ricoh!

07-21-2016, 01:07 AM	#28
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by Class A Another forum member stated they have been in contact with Phase One about PixelShift for the K-1 and that it will just take them time to implement it. Honestly, though, I'll believe it when I see it. Some at Phase One may think that a K-1 with PixelShift support would somewhat compete with MF cameras Phase One is offering. I don't think there is an overlap in markets, but it does not matter what I personally think. N.b., Capture One 9 Pro (by Phase One) is a great RAW converter and I have replaced Lightroom with it. P.S.: The K-1 is a delight to use. I don't see it being replaced for quite a while to come. Demand and interest still seem to be high, even after the initial rush. A very well-deserved success for Ricoh! Of all things photographic that need improvement, the number one is Adobe's RAW converter.

07-22-2016, 01:32 PM - 2 Likes	#29
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by HopelessTogger Of all things photographic that need improvement, the number one is Adobe's RAW converter. That I'm afraid will not happen unless Pentax is per$uasive with Adobe the way others are... I hate to suspect that those things work this way, but I do...

07-22-2016, 01:46 PM - 1 Like	#30
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by LensBeginner That I'm afraid will not happen unless Pentax is per$uasive with Adobe the way others are... I hate to suspect that those things work this way, but I do... Adobe's LR RAW engine is prosumer at best for all camera brands. Capture One's is superb, but the user interface really takes some understanding.