K-1 video quality: why?

Not a Number · 07-23-2016, 08:52 AM

I read that both times Pentax was on sale that Canon was interested. How would killing off the K-mount be of benefit to K-mount users?

Kunzite · 07-23-2016, 09:10 AM

That's interesting, but is it true? Most rumors are made up, you know...
For one, Pentax wasn't "for sale" the first time; a Pentax-Hoya merger was arranged between the then-Pentax CEO and Hoya's (with the support of a major Pentax shareholder). This move surprised the Pentax' board, as it was done without their knowledge.

CDW · 07-23-2016, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Huh? A totally vague and empty complaint. People should be embarrassed to post such stuff.

People always say Pentax video is bad, but I've seen great cinematic videos and commercial music videos on YouTube and Vimeo made on K-x's.

And the video specs of the K-1 match or exceed those of cameras like the Canon 5D2, which remains the workhorse of the DSLR video world.

But it's a Pentax. So in the minds of other brand gear enthusiasts, it must be flawed.

I would question the premise that the 5D2 is still the workhorse of the DSLR world. It's becoming a 4K world for capture and Panasonic and SONY dominate in that world. The 5D2 is essentially obsolete at this point vs 1080 mage quality delivered by the 5D3, Nikon and yes, Pentax. Actually, K1 video is not that bad if the files are captured with lower contrast, saturation and sharpening, then corrected in post. I shot with a 5D2 for quite a long time. Even then I thought it delivered terrible video vs dedicated camcorders. The GH4 remains the best bang for the buck in terms of video capabilities, in my opinion.

Johndav · 07-23-2016, 11:37 AM

I have used my Pentax K-r for video and found it quite acceptable and I use a separate HD camcorder most times for video. I also occasionally use a Nikon J1 for video; again with acceptable results (plus the J1 continues to focus during the shot whereas the K-r doesn't autofocus during the shot).
As said above use a tripod; my K-30 with SR on has produced stabilised footage that is fairly obvious and not in a good way.
If you are shooting video of a lengthy event then a HD camcorder is probably still the way to go at the equipment level I operate at - it avoids overheating problems, is a lot easier to operate and has the advantage of a mic and headphones socket allowing me to use a Rode Videomic instead of the tinnier onboard mic. That said the dSLR footage has a more 'film-like' look.

surfar · 07-23-2016, 01:25 PM

If a survey was done of the people who have bought the K1, I think you would find that NONE bought it for its video capabilities.

Its a basic feature on the K1 which Ive only used to test to see if it worked.

I don't think i'll ever bother turning it on again because i'll be too busy getting still photos from a GREAT camera!

When I want to shoot video i'll use a different brand camera, or a Q which also shoots video.

Rupert · 07-23-2016, 02:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

f a survey was done of the people who have bought the K1, I think you would find that NONE bought it for its video capabilities.

Yep.....Survey says: Zero and None!

I bought my K1 to shoot mostly squirrels and a few birds. Works perfectly for me......even in the Crop Mode the Jpegs are plenty decent, though I mostly shoot Raw.

Only one squirrel complained about the video......but I refuse to shoot squirrel porn anyhow, so it doesn't matter to me what he thinks.

"K1 have poor video......"

Regards!

Not a Number · 07-25-2016, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

For one, Pentax wasn't "for sale" the first time;

I was going to put the word "sale" in quotes for want of a better term but figured anybody who knew the history would know what I meant. Regardless, I read somewhere that Canon had tendered a hostile takeover bid at the time of the Hoya "merger".

HopelessTogger · 07-25-2016, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by surfar

If a survey was done of the people who have bought the K1, I think you would find that NONE bought it for its video capabilities.

Its a basic feature on the K1 which Ive only used to test to see if it worked.

I don't think i'll ever bother turning it on again because i'll be too busy getting still photos from a GREAT camera!

When I want to shoot video i'll use a different brand camera, or a Q which also shoots video.

But you wouldn't mind good 4k video in the K-1 Mark II?

For me, that's essential to make me upgrade in the future.

surfar · 07-25-2016, 05:59 PM

4K is no biggy for me, I have a Pano and a Sammy that both capture 4K,so I just use them if I need that resolution.

At 1000 shots permonth, my K1 will last me 25 years.

In the meantime, the lowlight capability,pixel shift and other unique features have filled a void in my photographic tools.

HopelessTogger · 07-25-2016, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by surfar

4K is no biggy for me, I have a Pano and a Sammy that both capture 4K,so I just use them if I need that resolution.

At 1000 shots permonth, my K1 will last me 25 years.

In the meantime, the lowlight capability,pixel shift and other unique features have filled a void in my photographic tools.

I agree, in all other respects the K-1 really does it for me. I could use 4K though, need to get into video, mostly for work purposes.

That said, we might get lucky and get high quality 4k video in the K-3 Mark 3.

surfar · 07-25-2016, 07:13 PM - **1 Like**

A used Pano G7 with adapted K mount lenses is an easy fix for 4k

HopelessTogger · 07-25-2016, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by surfar

A used Pano G7 with adapted K mount lenses is an easy fix for 4k

Thanks for the tip!

07-25-2016, 06:03 PM	#25
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by surfar 4K is no biggy for me, I have a Pano and a Sammy that both capture 4K,so I just use them if I need that resolution. At 1000 shots permonth, my K1 will last me 25 years. In the meantime, the lowlight capability,pixel shift and other unique features have filled a void in my photographic tools. I agree, in all other respects the K-1 really does it for me. I could use 4K though, need to get into video, mostly for work purposes. That said, we might get lucky and get high quality 4k video in the K-3 Mark 3. Last edited by HopelessTogger; 07-25-2016 at 06:15 PM.

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07-23-2016, 08:52 AM	#16
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	I read that both times Pentax was on sale that Canon was interested. How would killing off the K-mount be of benefit to K-mount users?

07-23-2016, 09:10 AM	#17
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	That's interesting, but is it true? Most rumors are made up, you know... For one, Pentax wasn't "for sale" the first time; a Pentax-Hoya merger was arranged between the then-Pentax CEO and Hoya's (with the support of a major Pentax shareholder). This move surprised the Pentax' board, as it was done without their knowledge.

07-23-2016, 10:50 AM	#18
CDW Site Supporter Join Date: May 2011 Location: Big Island, Hawaii & Utah Posts: 457	Originally posted by rawr Huh? A totally vague and empty complaint. People should be embarrassed to post such stuff. People always say Pentax video is bad, but I've seen great cinematic videos and commercial music videos on YouTube and Vimeo made on K-x's. And the video specs of the K-1 match or exceed those of cameras like the Canon 5D2, which remains the workhorse of the DSLR video world. But it's a Pentax. So in the minds of other brand gear enthusiasts, it must be flawed. I would question the premise that the 5D2 is still the workhorse of the DSLR world. It's becoming a 4K world for capture and Panasonic and SONY dominate in that world. The 5D2 is essentially obsolete at this point vs 1080 mage quality delivered by the 5D3, Nikon and yes, Pentax. Actually, K1 video is not that bad if the files are captured with lower contrast, saturation and sharpening, then corrected in post. I shot with a 5D2 for quite a long time. Even then I thought it delivered terrible video vs dedicated camcorders. The GH4 remains the best bang for the buck in terms of video capabilities, in my opinion.

07-23-2016, 11:37 AM	#19
Johndav Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Sunny Dun(ny)fermline, Fife Posts: 405	I have used my Pentax K-r for video and found it quite acceptable and I use a separate HD camcorder most times for video. I also occasionally use a Nikon J1 for video; again with acceptable results (plus the J1 continues to focus during the shot whereas the K-r doesn't autofocus during the shot). As said above use a tripod; my K-30 with SR on has produced stabilised footage that is fairly obvious and not in a good way. If you are shooting video of a lengthy event then a HD camcorder is probably still the way to go at the equipment level I operate at - it avoids overheating problems, is a lot easier to operate and has the advantage of a mic and headphones socket allowing me to use a Rode Videomic instead of the tinnier onboard mic. That said the dSLR footage has a more 'film-like' look.

07-23-2016, 01:25 PM	#20
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	If a survey was done of the people who have bought the K1, I think you would find that NONE bought it for its video capabilities. Its a basic feature on the K1 which Ive only used to test to see if it worked. I don't think i'll ever bother turning it on again because i'll be too busy getting still photos from a GREAT camera! When I want to shoot video i'll use a different brand camera, or a Q which also shoots video.

07-23-2016, 02:04 PM - 1 Like	#21
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by surfar f a survey was done of the people who have bought the K1, I think you would find that NONE bought it for its video capabilities. Yep.....Survey says: Zero and None! I bought my K1 to shoot mostly squirrels and a few birds. Works perfectly for me......even in the Crop Mode the Jpegs are plenty decent, though I mostly shoot Raw. Only one squirrel complained about the video......but I refuse to shoot squirrel porn anyhow, so it doesn't matter to me what he thinks. "K1 have poor video......" Regards!

07-25-2016, 05:38 PM	#22
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by Kunzite For one, Pentax wasn't "for sale" the first time; I was going to put the word "sale" in quotes for want of a better term but figured anybody who knew the history would know what I meant. Regardless, I read somewhere that Canon had tendered a hostile takeover bid at the time of the Hoya "merger".

07-25-2016, 05:43 PM	#23
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by surfar If a survey was done of the people who have bought the K1, I think you would find that NONE bought it for its video capabilities. Its a basic feature on the K1 which Ive only used to test to see if it worked. I don't think i'll ever bother turning it on again because i'll be too busy getting still photos from a GREAT camera! When I want to shoot video i'll use a different brand camera, or a Q which also shoots video. But you wouldn't mind good 4k video in the K-1 Mark II? For me, that's essential to make me upgrade in the future.

07-25-2016, 05:59 PM	#24
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	4K is no biggy for me, I have a Pano and a Sammy that both capture 4K,so I just use them if I need that resolution. At 1000 shots permonth, my K1 will last me 25 years. In the meantime, the lowlight capability,pixel shift and other unique features have filled a void in my photographic tools.

07-25-2016, 07:13 PM - 1 Like	#26
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	A used Pano G7 with adapted K mount lenses is an easy fix for 4k

07-25-2016, 07:53 PM	#27
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by surfar A used Pano G7 with adapted K mount lenses is an easy fix for 4k Thanks for the tip!