K5IIs Vs K-1 crop : anyone tried ?

christiandre · 08-01-2016, 09:59 PM

thanks Ken
the colors seem deeper , more vivid on the K- 1
maybe DR gives that impression.

Last edited by christiandre; 08-01-2016 at 10:22 PM.

Class A · 08-01-2016, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by christiandre

first impression : the colors seem deeper , more vivid on the K- 1

The white balance is definitely warmer.

Noise seems slightly better controlled on the K-1.

@Ken Pimontel
How did you develop the images?

Seems like you used ACR.
Given that Adobe applies different processing depending on the camera brand/model, I'd say it would be more reliable to use dcraw or perhaps RAW Therapee for noise comparisons.

kh1234567890 · 08-02-2016, 01:56 AM

Why do you get more purple fringing with the K-1 ?

**AggieDad** · 08-02-2016, 07:41 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rupert

Glad to help.

It only fell about 4 feet...onto carpet...but, it had the Bigma 50-500 mounted and pulled the lens mount out of the camera, I had a heck of a time getting the lens mount off the Bigma, it was stuck. Fortunately the Bigma didn't get any damage at all, just the K5IIs.

I suggest a concrete drive, and faking a heart attack....cheap lens mounted...that way you can get some sympathy which may help get you the K1. Personally, I cried like a little baby for 30 minutes and that's when Mrs Rupert handed me her credit card for the K1. Of course, I am a pro at this after 50 years with Mrs Rupert.
She blamed the accident on my being old and with "infirm mind". She might be right...I forgot to tell her the Bigma was not damaged and so she let me get a new Tamron 70-200 2.8 too! Gotta do some of that Big Brain Thinking, you know!

Regards!

Okay. I think this might be doable. Let me just run through it:

Concrete drive: CHECK
Faking heart attack: not needed - already very old & clumsy - so: CHECK
Cheap lens: CHECK
Cry like a baby (I'm good at this): CHECK
Sympathy from AggieMom: UH-OH... this could be difficult

Well, I'll carefully put together a plan and work on the correct timing for an event. Who knows? It might all come together.

Thanks for the tips.

Don

Rupert · 08-02-2016, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by AggieDad

Thanks for the tips.

I do what I can! Good Luck!

Ken Pimontel · 08-02-2016, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Class A

The white balance is definitely warmer.

Noise seems slightly better controlled on the K-1.

@Ken Pimontel
How did you develop the images?

Seems like you used ACR.
Given that Adobe applies different processing depending on the camera brand/model, I'd say it would be more reliable to use dcraw or perhaps RAW Therapee for noise comparisons.

Developed in Lightroom, Color checker profile for each, same white balance, no ambient light.

Rico · 08-02-2016, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by AggieDad

Okay. I think this might be doable. Let me just run through it:

Concrete drive: CHECK
Faking heart attack: not needed - already very old & clumsy - so: CHECK
Cheap lens: CHECK
Cry like a baby (I'm good at this): CHECK
Sympathy from AggieMom: UH-OH... this could be difficult

Well, I'll carefully put together a plan and work on the correct timing for an event. Who knows? It might all come together.

Thanks for the tips.

Don

Face it Don you are old and forgetful. Just say you misplaced the K-5II and need a new camera.

Class A · 08-02-2016, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Ken Pimontel

Developed in Lightroom, Color checker profile for each, same white balance, no ambient light.

Thanks.

The fact that you used a color checker profile for each helps quite a bit, but LR (which has ACR under the hood) could still apply different levels of baseline noise reduction. A "0" in an LR setting means nothing; it pretty much never means "neutral".

Ken Pimontel · 08-02-2016, 10:41 PM - **1 Like**

I redid the test this morning.

All studioflash, no ambient, no SR, FA77 at f8
Development in Lightroom.

Ken Pimontel · 08-02-2016, 10:46 PM - **1 Like**

Here with profiles made in Adobes DNG Profile Editor.

FYI, the K1 sensor seems bluer and greener. Needs +50K and -4 magenta in stead of K5 -6 magenta

---------- Post added 08-02-16 at 10:47 PM ----------

Originally posted by Class A

Thanks.

The fact that you used a color checker profile for each helps quite a bit, but LR (which has ACR under the hood) could still apply different levels of baseline noise reduction. A "0" in an LR setting means nothing; it pretty much never means "neutral".

FWIW, I use LR 5.7.1 I do not believe it knows the K1.

The order of the images is K-5IIs, K-1 and K-5.

Ken Pimontel · 08-02-2016, 10:49 PM - **1 Like**

And the crops pushed 3 stops.

What are your thoughts on the fringing on the K1?

Thx for all the input guys!

The order of the images is K-5IIs, K-1 and K-5.

**jbinpg** · 08-02-2016, 11:21 PM

I cannot see any fringing.

kh1234567890 · 08-03-2016, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by jbinpg

I cannot see any fringing.

I can, round the ColorChecker box details.

Presumably the order of the cropped shots is K-5iis, K-1 and K-5 ? In that case it is the K-5 AA filter doing what an AA filter is meant to do ...

Ken Pimontel · 08-03-2016, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by kh1234567890

I can, round the ColorChecker box details.

Presumably the order of the cropped shots is K-5iis, K-1 and K-5 ? In that case it is the K-5 AA filter doing what an AA filter is meant to do ...

Correct: the order is K-5IIs, K1 and K-5

**AggieDad** · 08-05-2016, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Rico

Face it Don you are old and forgetful. Just say you misplaced the K-5II and need a new camera.

Boy, that is the truth! But I think she put one of those electronic finder thingies in my camera bag. She already put them on my keys and my Nook.

08-02-2016, 07:41 AM - 1 Like	#19
AggieDad Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,453	Originally posted by Rupert Glad to help. It only fell about 4 feet...onto carpet...but, it had the Bigma 50-500 mounted and pulled the lens mount out of the camera, I had a heck of a time getting the lens mount off the Bigma, it was stuck. Fortunately the Bigma didn't get any damage at all, just the K5IIs. I suggest a concrete drive, and faking a heart attack....cheap lens mounted...that way you can get some sympathy which may help get you the K1. Personally, I cried like a little baby for 30 minutes and that's when Mrs Rupert handed me her credit card for the K1. Of course, I am a pro at this after 50 years with Mrs Rupert. She blamed the accident on my being old and with "infirm mind". She might be right...I forgot to tell her the Bigma was not damaged and so she let me get a new Tamron 70-200 2.8 too! Gotta do some of that Big Brain Thinking, you know! Regards! Okay. I think this might be doable. Let me just run through it: Concrete drive: CHECK Faking heart attack: not needed - already very old & clumsy - so: CHECK Cheap lens: CHECK Cry like a baby (I'm good at this): CHECK Sympathy from AggieMom: UH-OH... this could be difficult Well, I'll carefully put together a plan and work on the correct timing for an event. Who knows? It might all come together. Thanks for the tips. Don

08-02-2016, 12:05 PM	#22
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	Originally posted by AggieDad Okay. I think this might be doable. Let me just run through it: Concrete drive: CHECK Faking heart attack: not needed - already very old & clumsy - so: CHECK Cheap lens: CHECK Cry like a baby (I'm good at this): CHECK Sympathy from AggieMom: UH-OH... this could be difficult Well, I'll carefully put together a plan and work on the correct timing for an event. Who knows? It might all come together. Thanks for the tips. Don Face it Don you are old and forgetful. Just say you misplaced the K-5II and need a new camera.

08-02-2016, 10:41 PM - 1 Like	#24
Ken Pimontel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 42	K5IIs vs K1 vs K5 - Embedded profiles I redid the test this morning. All studioflash, no ambient, no SR, FA77 at f8 Development in Lightroom. Attached Images

08-02-2016, 10:46 PM - 1 Like	#25
Ken Pimontel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 42	K5 vs K5IIs vs K1 - DNG Profile Editor profiles Here with profiles made in Adobes DNG Profile Editor. FYI, the K1 sensor seems bluer and greener. Needs +50K and -4 magenta in stead of K5 -6 magenta ---------- Post added 08-02-16 at 10:47 PM ---------- Originally posted by Class A Thanks. The fact that you used a color checker profile for each helps quite a bit, but LR (which has ACR under the hood) could still apply different levels of baseline noise reduction. A "0" in an LR setting means nothing; it pretty much never means "neutral". FWIW, I use LR 5.7.1 I do not believe it knows the K1. The order of the images is K-5IIs, K-1 and K-5. Attached Images Last edited by Ken Pimontel; 08-03-2016 at 02:44 AM. Reason: Added clarification.

08-02-2016, 10:49 PM - 1 Like	#26
Ken Pimontel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 42	K5 vs K5IIs vs K1 - crops And the crops pushed 3 stops. What are your thoughts on the fringing on the K1? Thx for all the input guys! The order of the images is K-5IIs, K-1 and K-5. Attached Images Last edited by Ken Pimontel; 08-03-2016 at 02:45 AM. Reason: Clarification

08-01-2016, 09:59 PM	#16
christiandre Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 157 Original Poster	thanks Ken the colors seem deeper , more vivid on the K- 1 maybe DR gives that impression. Last edited by christiandre; 08-01-2016 at 10:22 PM.

08-01-2016, 10:27 PM	#17
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by christiandre first impression : the colors seem deeper , more vivid on the K- 1 The white balance is definitely warmer. Noise seems slightly better controlled on the K-1. @Ken Pimontel How did you develop the images? Seems like you used ACR. Given that Adobe applies different processing depending on the camera brand/model, I'd say it would be more reliable to use dcraw or perhaps RAW Therapee for noise comparisons.

08-02-2016, 01:56 AM	#18
kh1234567890 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Manchester, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,653	Why do you get more purple fringing with the K-1 ?

08-02-2016, 08:52 AM	#20
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by AggieDad Thanks for the tips. I do what I can! Good Luck!

08-02-2016, 09:17 AM	#21
Ken Pimontel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 42	Originally posted by Class A The white balance is definitely warmer. Noise seems slightly better controlled on the K-1. @Ken Pimontel How did you develop the images? Seems like you used ACR. Given that Adobe applies different processing depending on the camera brand/model, I'd say it would be more reliable to use dcraw or perhaps RAW Therapee for noise comparisons. Developed in Lightroom, Color checker profile for each, same white balance, no ambient light.

08-02-2016, 09:37 PM	#23
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Ken Pimontel Developed in Lightroom, Color checker profile for each, same white balance, no ambient light. Thanks. The fact that you used a color checker profile for each helps quite a bit, but LR (which has ACR under the hood) could still apply different levels of baseline noise reduction. A "0" in an LR setting means nothing; it pretty much never means "neutral".

08-02-2016, 11:21 PM	#27
jbinpg Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prince George, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,546	I cannot see any fringing.

08-03-2016, 01:39 AM	#28
kh1234567890 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Manchester, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,653	Originally posted by jbinpg I cannot see any fringing. I can, round the ColorChecker box details. Presumably the order of the cropped shots is K-5iis, K-1 and K-5 ? In that case it is the K-5 AA filter doing what an AA filter is meant to do ... Last edited by kh1234567890; 08-03-2016 at 01:44 AM.

08-03-2016, 02:43 AM	#29
Ken Pimontel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 42	Originally posted by kh1234567890 I can, round the ColorChecker box details. Presumably the order of the cropped shots is K-5iis, K-1 and K-5 ? In that case it is the K-5 AA filter doing what an AA filter is meant to do ... Correct: the order is K-5IIs, K1 and K-5

08-05-2016, 04:23 PM	#30
AggieDad Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,453	Originally posted by Rico Face it Don you are old and forgetful. Just say you misplaced the K-5II and need a new camera. Boy, that is the truth! But I think she put one of those electronic finder thingies in my camera bag. She already put them on my keys and my Nook.

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