Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
11-10-2016, 12:59 PM   #31
Loyal Site Supporter
Loyal Site Supporter
UncleVanya's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 10,069
QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
I have a K1 so I get the best tech updates for free, but it's too bad that non K1 owners can't benefit of those free updates.
QuoteOriginally posted by ffking Quote
there's a simple answer to that...
QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
yes, that's "buy a K1 and you'll get the free updates"
That's flawed. It isn't a free way to get the best tech updates. It's a paid way ; )

I'd pay a fee for additional non-bug fix firmware features for the K-3. Essentially if Ricoh wished to offer a for pay feature set to bring the K-3 up to the K-3II features for KAF4 and Pixel shift etc. I would be happy to consider it depending on the cost. Obviously some features only work due to hardware and could not be offered and some are too simplistic to get much money for if they charged. But the idea of adding some features for a fee on top of the maintaining of function as bugs are found is a viable model from where I sit.

11-10-2016, 01:01 PM   #32
Pentaxian
Tjompen1968's Avatar

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Norrköping, Sweden
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 1,331
I always found that Pentax gave a bunch of updates during the lifetime of the camera. Starting with K10d...
11-10-2016, 01:38 PM   #33
Pentaxian




Join Date: Feb 2015
Photos: Albums
Posts: 3,664
QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
I'd pay a fee for additional non-bug fix firmware features for the K-3. Essentially if Ricoh wished to offer a for pay feature set to bring the K-3 up to the K-3II features for KAF4 and Pixel shift etc. I would be happy to consider it depending on the cost. Obviously some features only work due to hardware and could not be offered and some are too simplistic to get much money for if they charged. But the idea of adding some features for a fee on top of the maintaining of function as bugs are found is a viable model from where I sit.
Yes, that could well be an viable model. Especially when I see how little is the change of performance between a K30, K50, K500, K70, but the bodies are different I guess there is a lot of waste of product line adaption spending and cost of inventory for each model, while the difference could be the software. They could have only one camera model on each format, and some variants of features via differences in software (only speculation since I'm not a camera maker).
11-10-2016, 01:57 PM   #34
Pentaxian




Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 9,459
QuoteOriginally posted by ffking Quote
It's an interesting tactic - especially if it is indeed on-going - very nice for owners, but with the obvious drawback as far as Ricoh is concerned that all the reviews will have been done prior to these firmware updates - stability updates and bug fixes are one thing - new features are another - but any making a great camera better is fine in my books
Well, it's not like they're holding back the new versions - it's either this, not adding features via firmware updates, or postponing the camera until it's "perfect".
Any experienced software developer can tell you that waiting until software is "perfect" is the same as never releasing it.

11-10-2016, 02:26 PM   #35
Pentaxian
ffking's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Poole
Posts: 1,954
QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Well, it's not like they're holding back the new versions - it's either this, not adding features via firmware updates, or postponing the camera until it's "perfect".
I'm certainly not complaining, but if this is true, then that's (at least) two serious multi-factor upgrades in functionality within the first year - it just strikes me as a new approach - if they become known for it, then it's good marketing, but it means that the manual gets out of date quickly, even if the reviews are updated - so it has features not mentioned in the manual that comes with it, that new purchasers might not know about or be alarmed at (Dear Pentax Forums, my screen has gone red - how do I get this fixed!). Again, no complaints from me, just potential drawbacks for the approach.
11-10-2016, 03:06 PM   #36
Moderator PEG Judges
Loyal Site Supporter
Kerrowdown's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Highlands of Scotland.
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 33,099
For me, new or different functions/features for my K1 tool.. bring it on.

If I can use 'em great, if not... someone else out will find them handy I'm sure.
11-10-2016, 03:08 PM   #37
Loyal Site Supporter
Loyal Site Supporter
UncleVanya's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 10,069
Do what Panasonic does basic manual is printed, advanced features is on cd and downloadable.
11-10-2016, 03:13 PM   #38
Pentaxian




Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 9,459
Perhaps going for multiple feature-adding firmware updates would allow camera manufacturers to slow down the product replacement cycle, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

11-10-2016, 05:21 PM   #39
Pentaxian




Join Date: Sep 2013
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,715
QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
Do what Panasonic does basic manual is printed, advanced features is on cd and downloadable.
Yuck!

I like having the paper manual in my hands, not having to bust out the external cd drive, being able to take it with me to a shoot if I'm still learning a camera...

Yeah, yeah, I keep the PDF on my iPad too. I wouldn't mind if they updated that one. Or if the Pentax ebooks guy updated his.
11-10-2016, 05:45 PM   #40
Veteran Member
MJKoski's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 794
Just thinking that all these nice features could have been available when the K-1 shipped. It would have received wildly different reviews among picky pricks such as myself. Bulb-timer. ES option, nightvision and white-dot-free product can directly take on A7R2 and win thanks to pixel shift (when usable). Now the only question remains where to get shiny new lenses for it. But anyway, after these features I am happy enough to continue hunting for used Zeiss 15mm .ZF2 and 21mm .ZF lenses to convert with Leitax instead of switching back to Nikon or Sony.

Mr. Kenspo could you please bash it to their thick skull that night-vision should be available via custom button shortcut to be usable enough?

Last edited by MJKoski; 11-10-2016 at 05:53 PM.
11-10-2016, 06:42 PM   #41
Loyal Site Supporter
Loyal Site Supporter
UncleVanya's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 10,069
QuoteOriginally posted by lithedreamer Quote
Yuck!

I like having the paper manual in my hands, not having to bust out the external cd drive, being able to take it with me to a shoot if I'm still learning a camera...

Yeah, yeah, I keep the PDF on my iPad too. I wouldn't mind if they updated that one. Or if the Pentax ebooks guy updated his.

The reality is that the latest manuals from Pentax don't hold a candle to what they used to be.
11-10-2016, 06:52 PM   #42
Pentaxian




Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: mid nth coast,nsw
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,206
QuoteOriginally posted by ffking Quote
(at least) two serious multi-factor upgrades in functionality within the first year - it just strikes me as a new approach - if they become known for it, then it's good marketing
Good marketing, to make up for "lack" of marketing!...Ricoh are simply following what some of the other manufacturers are doing.2017, they may catch up on the prime lens front?

---------- Post added 11-11-16 at 12:58 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by MJKoski Quote
Just thinking that all these nice features could have been available when the K-1 shipped
Probably not, they weren't developed.....if they had of waited they would have missed revenue for 6 months which I imagine has made them really happy! The primes aren't ready yet,what revenue have they missed there?
11-10-2016, 07:01 PM   #43
Senior Member




Join Date: Oct 2013
Photos: Albums
Posts: 292
QuoteOriginally posted by Tjompen1968 Quote
I want to get in there... Just to listen...

You understand Japanese?
That's very cool
Because,the development department is in Tokyo.
11-10-2016, 07:46 PM   #44
Administrator
Site Webmaster
Adam's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Arizona
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 43,654
The K-1 is probably selling so well that all this is worth the effort

Adam
PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide | Site Help | My Photography)



PentaxForums.com's high server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover those costs by donating. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

11-10-2016, 09:45 PM   #45
ogl
Pentaxian
ogl's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Siberia
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 7,294
I remember the famous firmware for K10D - 1.10
Latest K10D Firmware Update : Software Downloads | RICOH IMAGING
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
astrotracer, camera, dslr, features, firmware, full frame, full-frame, function, fw, k-1, k1, min, pentax k-1, photographer, post, revenue, ricoh, sense, time, updates
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Firmware Update to 1.1 for K3II Glen Pentax K-3 2 10-22-2016 11:32 AM
A Standing Ovation for the K-1 Firmware Update 1.3 Profligatographer Pentax K-1 12 10-05-2016 10:16 AM
K-1 firmware update version 1.30 shaolen Pentax News and Rumors 15 09-20-2016 06:38 AM
K70 firmware update 1.1.0,DCU update 5.6.1 OoKU Pentax News and Rumors 4 09-07-2016 02:19 AM
Can't update K-r firmware from 1.00 to 1.15 ? derek45 Pentax K-r 4 07-04-2015 05:15 PM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:39 AM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top