[biz-engineer]

I have noticed reviewers will sometimes isolate things in such a way so as to make a one camera appear to be much better than another.

The goal is to keep information incomplete, create controversy; in order to agitate the market, emotional arguing in forums and make the product being talked about, the more a product is being talked about the more share of mind it gets and so it climbs the ladder to get closer to the short list of purchasing decisions. Here, the good thing is that both K1 and D850 are being talked about, the controversial video primarily benefits both camera models. Some people will prefer the K1 for the lower price and landscape feature such as pixel shift, while other people will want to have the AF system and burst rate of the D850. From a marketing standpoint, that video is good for both Pentax and Nikon, it could have been a video comparing D850 to D810 and in that case it would have stimulate sales of D810 for the budget minded customer and it would stimulate sales of D850 for the sport minded customer.

[teiki arii]

Pentax K-1 is not dead!

[normhead]

I didn't advocate doing so. But what if I have only the one camera and want lower noise and I'm happy with 16mp? Then I can benefit from 24mp when I do have the light and downsample for better noise when I don't. There are use cases but for me I'm happy with the K-3 up to 3200 often depending on what I'm doing. We all have our limits...

When you only have one camera you think different. I've always kept the old camera as the back up to the new one, so it's been 10 years since that was true for me.

[UncleVanya]

When you only have one camera you think different. I've always kept the old camera as the back up to the new one, so it's been 10 years since that was true for me.

Lol. My backup is a k100d. So a bit more gap in technology.

[normhead]

Lol. My backup is a k100d. So a bit more gap in technology.

I'm still not certain I should have sold my K-5. I sold it to a dealer so I didn't get much for it. Once you get to K-5 technology, you always have a functional camera that does work easily good enough for most pro-jobs at least in terms of IQ. Tess' K-5 images are for the most part every bit as good army K-1 images.

[Dan Rentea]

After being convinced this was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and thinking it might be my dream camera, I have to say... I was had. Good thing i didn't buy one. Well at it's price, buying one was never an issue. but it's still a good thing.

Well, look at the today prices in my country (Romania) for all 3 systems which still makes DSLRs: Pentax, Canon and Nikon. The cameras are:
- Pentax K1
- Canon 5D Mark IV
- Nikon D850

The lenses are the f2.8 zooms from them (the most 3 used zoom lenses). I converted the prices in euro and in US dollars in order for people to make some comparations.

If I have to start from zero and considering that I'm not at all into landscapes, I will still pick Canon over the others. 5D Mark IV gives me good enough resolution, good ISO capabilities, very good tracking capabilities, 7fps and a lot of options when comes to variety of lenses, third party support (flashes and lenses), huge second hand market, renting options, good service.

If I were a landscape photographer, Pentax K1 would have been my first choice without a blink of an eye, even if all the facilities that I have with Canon (third party support, second hand market, etc.) are missing when comes to Pentax.

What is realy hard for me is to consider D850, even if it looks like an impressive camera on paper. The lenses in general are also more expensive for Nikon. For resolution and better dynamic range I would have to pay:
- 1971$ more than I would have to pay for 5D Mark IV
- 5082$ more than I would have to pay for K1

[shardulm]

Thanks for putting this together. I believe Tony Northrup should also see this stat.

Well, look at the today prices in my country (Romania) for all 3 systems which still makes DSLRs: Pentax, Canon and Nikon. The cameras are:
- Pentax K1
- Canon 5D Mark IV
- Nikon D850

The lenses are the f2.8 zooms from them (the most 3 used zoom lenses). I converted the prices in euro and in US dollars in order for people to make some comparations.

If I have to start from zero and considering that I'm not at all into landscapes, I will still pick Canon over the others. 5D Mark IV gives me good enough resolution, good ISO capabilities, very good tracking capabilities, 7fps and a lot of options when comes to variety of lenses, third party support (flashes and lenses), huge second hand market, renting options, good service.

If I were a landscape photographer, Pentax K1 would have been my first choice without a blink of an eye, even if all the facilities that I have with Canon (third party support, second hand market, etc.) are missing when comes to Pentax.

What is realy hard for me is to consider D850, even it looks like an impressive camera on paper. The lenses in general are also more expensive for Nikon. For resolution and better dynamic range I would have to pay:
- 1971$ more than I would have to pay for 5D Mark IV
- 5082$ more than I would have to pay for K1

[teiki arii]

Well, look at the today prices in my country (Romania) for all 3 systems which still makes DSLRs: Pentax, Canon and Nikon. The cameras are:
- Pentax K1
- Canon 5D Mark IV
- Nikon D850

The lenses are the f2.8 zooms from them (the most 3 used zoom lenses). I converted the prices in euro and in US dollars in order for people to make some comparations.

If I have to start from zero and considering that I'm not at all into landscapes, I will still pick Canon over the others. 5D Mark IV gives me good enough resolution, good ISO capabilities, very good tracking capabilities, 7fps and a lot of options when comes to variety of lenses, third party support (flashes and lenses), huge second hand market, renting options, good service.

If I were a landscape photographer, Pentax K1 would have been my first choice without a blink of an eye, even if all the facilities that I have with Canon (third party support, second hand market, etc.) are missing when comes to Pentax.

What is realy hard for me is to consider D850, even if it looks like an impressive camera on paper. The lenses in general are also more expensive for Nikon. For resolution and better dynamic range I would have to pay:
- 1971$ more than I would have to pay for 5D Mark IV
- 5082$ more than I would have to pay for K1

Nice comparison, but if you buy the grip the weight is exactly same between Pentax and Canon but for Pentax, it's half the price no more no less... Even if I start from zero, I would choose Pentax for what I do with it and because of the price... Third parts lenses are very good and not so expensive..

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/190-pentax-k-1/357070-great-video-camera...ml#post4149425

[Dan Rentea]

Thanks for putting this together. I believe Tony Northrup should also see this stat.

Why? I couldn't find any solid reason to watch that guy's videos and I really don't give a cent about what he has to say.

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Even if I start from zero, I would choose Pentax for what I do with it and because of the price...

It all depends on:
- what you shoot most of the time
- budget

If I would start shooting wildlife 90% of the time, I would choose anytime a 1Dx Mark II or a D5 instead of K1, 5D Mark IV, D850.

For corporate events, portraits and wildlife (things I shoot) I chosed 5D Mark IV for the reasons I mentioned in the other comment.

For landscapes, Pentax is by far the real winner given the specs and price.

If dynamic range and resolution were my main concernes, I would probably buy a second hand Fuji GFX 50s or a 645z instead of D810.

[solitudebound]

I gave up on reading the different places this video was presented on. All i see are attacks and no debate, same goes for Olympus and Sigma cameras. I have had just about enough of all this (BEEP!).

No more interest in the D850, Pentax K-3 mark iii, e.t.c. It's gone too far, placing nikon stickers on my K-1 to avoid all the terrorism, peace of mind is worth some effort.

Sorry for the rant.

[UncleVanya]

I gave up on reading the different places this video was presented on. All i see are attacks and no debate, same goes for Olympus and Sigma cameras. I have had just about enough of all this (BEEP!).

No more interest in the D850, Pentax K-3 mark iii, e.t.c. It's gone too far, placing nikon stickers on my K-1 to avoid all the terrorism, peace of mind is worth some effort.

Sorry for the rant.

On the plus side you could mount a Nikon pre-AI lens on that K-1 and really fool them.

[normhead]

Well, look at the today prices in my country (Romania) for all 3 systems which still makes DSLRs: Pentax, Canon and Nikon. The cameras are:
- Pentax K1
- Canon 5D Mark IV
- Nikon D850

The lenses are the f2.8 zooms from them (the most 3 used zoom lenses). I converted the prices in euro and in US dollars in order for people to make some comparations.

If I have to start from zero and considering that I'm not at all into landscapes, I will still pick Canon over the others. 5D Mark IV gives me good enough resolution, good ISO capabilities, very good tracking capabilities, 7fps and a lot of options when comes to variety of lenses, third party support (flashes and lenses), huge second hand market, renting options, good service.

If I were a landscape photographer, Pentax K1 would have been my first choice without a blink of an eye, even if all the facilities that I have with Canon (third party support, second hand market, etc.) are missing when comes to Pentax.

What is realy hard for me is to consider D850, even if it looks like an impressive camera on paper. The lenses in general are also more expensive for Nikon. For resolution and better dynamic range I would have to pay:
- 1971$ more than I would have to pay for 5D Mark IV
- 5082$ more than I would have to pay for K1

I knew Pentax was going overboard on the weight thing... but I didn't know it was that bad. Made even worse by the fact there are ƒ4 or variable aperture versions of many of those Canon and Nikon lenses to even further reduce the weight for a landscape shooter. No choice from Pentax though, at least not in the catalogue.

But my own personal travel kit, K-1 - DFA 28-105, DA*60-250 and when needed FAJ 18-35, is not so bad. And very light compared to what you posted.

[teiki arii]

It all depends on:
- what you shoot most of the time
- budget
If I would start shooting wildlife 90% of the time, I would choose anytime a 1Dx Mark II or a D5 instead of K1, 5D Mark IV, D850.
For corporate events, portraits and wildlife (things I shoot) I chosed 5D Mark IV for the reasons I mentioned in the other comment.
For landscapes, Pentax is by far the real winner given the specs and price.

Of course, you are right.
your needs are your concern. But for portraits, as I am concerned, I love the Pentax K-1.

If dynamic range and resolution were my main concernes, I would probably buy a second hand Fuji GFX 50s or a 645z instead of D810.

Perhaps, but as you said, budget is a restricting criteria. I cannot afford a "second hand" GFX 50s nor a 645Z...
Best regards.


Semana santa de Alicante, Leica-R 28/2.8(II) & K-1 MF, square format.


Semana santa de Alicante, color version & K-1 MF, Leica-R 28/2.8(II).

[frogfoot]

Well, look at the today prices in my country (Romania)

Thank you for your prices comparison, but it would be fairer if you include Tamrons 15-30/2.8 and 24-70/2.8 instead of Canon and Nikon lenses.

[Dan Rentea]

Thank you for your prices comparison, but it would be fairer if you include Tamrons 15-30/2.8 and 24-70/2.8 instead of Canon and Nikon lenses.

It's a different discussion and as long as on Pentax lenses it is not written the Tamron logo, I compared the prices for OEM lenses from each system. For me this is a fair comparation. If Tamroun would have these lenses in Pentax mount, then the K1 with Tamron lenses would probably have been even cheaper than it is with OEM lenses.