C Menu 1 - 5 Link AE and AF Point'

stevebrot · 03-11-2018, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by twilhelm

She doesn’t care what the rest of the scene is, as long as she is in focus and properly exposed. Switch to spot metering and focus on her, she will be properly exposed regardless of where she is in the shot.

Spot metering will center the histogram at the focus point, that is all.

Steve

**BruceBanner** · 03-11-2018, 12:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by leekil

Why didn't you ask him?

Where's the fun in that? Plus I woulda missed out on your lovely detailed explanation! Thanks

**twilhelm** · 03-11-2018, 01:18 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

Spot metering will center the histogram at the focus point, that is all.

Steve

Exactly. But when set to matrix, I didn’t mention it will expose slightly toward the focus point, but not like spot.

It’s a method of being able to quickly change the exposure on the fly. I have less work after the event working post because the exposure values are where I’m expecting them to be.

**BruceBanner** · 03-11-2018, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by twilhelm

So... I have this feture turned on. I generally use Matrix, but with the press of a button I’m on spot metering....

How do you set up to toggle from Matrix to Spot with 'the press of a button'? Typically I have to hold a button down and slide the rear dial to toggle Metering, is there a quicker way?

Cheers.

stevebrot · 03-11-2018, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by BruceBanner

How do you set up to toggle from Matrix to Spot with 'the press of a button'? Typically I have to hold a button down and slide the rear dial to toggle Metering, is there a quicker way?

Cheers.

User mode?

Steve

**twilhelm** · 03-11-2018, 03:57 PM

Yes, User Mode. I have 3, the first 2 are identical save the metering, the 3rd is for my old manual lenses.

But I guess that’s really a turn of the dial.

**BruceBanner** · 03-11-2018, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by twilhelm

Yes, User Mode. I have 3, the first 2 are identical save the metering, the 3rd is for my old manual lenses.

But I guess that’s really a turn of the dial.

Ah ok. Yeh that's why I was stumped at the 'button' because I thought perhaps I was missing a very quick bind somewhere to a Fx button. On the K-1 its quite a quick toggle (hold a Fx button down and rotate rear dial), on the KP it's a little more awkward/easier depending on what yer doing (more or less same steps in some regards, quicker in others). I tend to fill my 5 User Modes with quite different shooting scenes (in general) however certain events (like concerts or weddings) I do kick a mode off here or there to allow space for a very similar mode mimicking another save a small difference, much the same as you).

stevebrot · 03-12-2018, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by BruceBanner

I do kick a mode off here or there to allow space for a very similar mode mimicking another save a small difference, much the same as you).

So the question might be whether keeping a mode for this feature makes sense. If the light is that sketchy, the question might be whether auto-exposure is the appropriate solution regardless of where the focus point falls.

Steve

angerdan · 03-12-2018, 11:59 AM

Isn't it easy to say that C1.5 overides the general AF setting?

**BruceBanner** · 03-12-2018, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

So the question might be whether keeping a mode for this feature makes sense. If the light is that sketchy, the question might be whether auto-exposure is the appropriate solution regardless of where the focus point falls.

Steve

The question for me right now is whether this mode combo (matrix + C1-5) is worth using at all, and if the results are desirable. I do use SEL a lot, tend to have the focus point still very near the middle but perhaps slightly up and off in one direction (to help frame a shot better, when shooting very wide and using centre point and reframing I find things can be a little fuzzier than doing the aforementioned), so it may well suit my kinda shooting style and help expose images that little bit better than C1-5 off and using centre weighted which has been my standard go to for portrait.

Currently I use centre spot and Spot metering for ETTR and Silhouette style landscape shots. I rarely use Spot metering for Portrait use unless looking for a weird arty interpretation (such as a bright background and shadow figure, or the opposite and getting a High Key image).

I do find this very interesting, I really thought you were stuck with metering of three choices, but there does seem to be more hybrid options available. What about C1-5 in conjunction with centre weighted for example, more or less the same results as having it on in Matrix mode or quite a bit different I wonder...

PS I've been flat out busy with work and such and have not had time to test any of this out, prolly won't till the weekend now.

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03-11-2018, 12:23 PM	#16
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by twilhelm She doesn’t care what the rest of the scene is, as long as she is in focus and properly exposed. Switch to spot metering and focus on her, she will be properly exposed regardless of where she is in the shot. Spot metering will center the histogram at the focus point, that is all. Steve

03-11-2018, 12:34 PM - 1 Like	#17
BruceBanner Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,404 Original Poster	Originally posted by leekil Why didn't you ask him? Where's the fun in that? Plus I woulda missed out on your lovely detailed explanation! Thanks

03-11-2018, 01:18 PM - 1 Like	#18
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	Originally posted by stevebrot Spot metering will center the histogram at the focus point, that is all. Steve Exactly. But when set to matrix, I didn’t mention it will expose slightly toward the focus point, but not like spot. It’s a method of being able to quickly change the exposure on the fly. I have less work after the event working post because the exposure values are where I’m expecting them to be.

03-11-2018, 01:31 PM	#19
BruceBanner Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,404 Original Poster	Originally posted by twilhelm So... I have this feture turned on. I generally use Matrix, but with the press of a button I’m on spot metering.... How do you set up to toggle from Matrix to Spot with 'the press of a button'? Typically I have to hold a button down and slide the rear dial to toggle Metering, is there a quicker way? Cheers.

03-11-2018, 03:34 PM	#20
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by BruceBanner How do you set up to toggle from Matrix to Spot with 'the press of a button'? Typically I have to hold a button down and slide the rear dial to toggle Metering, is there a quicker way? Cheers. User mode? Steve

03-11-2018, 03:57 PM	#21
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	Yes, User Mode. I have 3, the first 2 are identical save the metering, the 3rd is for my old manual lenses. But I guess that’s really a turn of the dial.

03-11-2018, 11:45 PM	#22
BruceBanner Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,404 Original Poster	Originally posted by twilhelm Yes, User Mode. I have 3, the first 2 are identical save the metering, the 3rd is for my old manual lenses. But I guess that’s really a turn of the dial. Ah ok. Yeh that's why I was stumped at the 'button' because I thought perhaps I was missing a very quick bind somewhere to a Fx button. On the K-1 its quite a quick toggle (hold a Fx button down and rotate rear dial), on the KP it's a little more awkward/easier depending on what yer doing (more or less same steps in some regards, quicker in others). I tend to fill my 5 User Modes with quite different shooting scenes (in general) however certain events (like concerts or weddings) I do kick a mode off here or there to allow space for a very similar mode mimicking another save a small difference, much the same as you).

03-12-2018, 10:11 AM	#23
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by BruceBanner I do kick a mode off here or there to allow space for a very similar mode mimicking another save a small difference, much the same as you). So the question might be whether keeping a mode for this feature makes sense. If the light is that sketchy, the question might be whether auto-exposure is the appropriate solution regardless of where the focus point falls. Steve

03-12-2018, 11:59 AM	#24
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	Isn't it easy to say that C1.5 overides the general AF setting?

03-12-2018, 12:45 PM	#25
BruceBanner Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,404 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot So the question might be whether keeping a mode for this feature makes sense. If the light is that sketchy, the question might be whether auto-exposure is the appropriate solution regardless of where the focus point falls. Steve The question for me right now is whether this mode combo (matrix + C1-5) is worth using at all, and if the results are desirable. I do use SEL a lot, tend to have the focus point still very near the middle but perhaps slightly up and off in one direction (to help frame a shot better, when shooting very wide and using centre point and reframing I find things can be a little fuzzier than doing the aforementioned), so it may well suit my kinda shooting style and help expose images that little bit better than C1-5 off and using centre weighted which has been my standard go to for portrait. Currently I use centre spot and Spot metering for ETTR and Silhouette style landscape shots. I rarely use Spot metering for Portrait use unless looking for a weird arty interpretation (such as a bright background and shadow figure, or the opposite and getting a High Key image). I do find this very interesting, I really thought you were stuck with metering of three choices, but there does seem to be more hybrid options available. What about C1-5 in conjunction with centre weighted for example, more or less the same results as having it on in Matrix mode or quite a bit different I wonder... PS I've been flat out busy with work and such and have not had time to test any of this out, prolly won't till the weekend now.

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