Hot off the presses: DPR to re-shoot its K1mkII test.

**Rondec** · 05-16-2018, 02:26 AM - **1 Like**

The issue is that DP Review is looking for high end technical specs -- high frame rates, 4K video, top end auto focus. That's exactly what the K-1 II doesn't offer. Slightly over 4 fps, no 4K video, middling auto focus are what is found in the K-1 II package.

And yet, Pentax still makes cameras for photographers and if still photography is your focus, you could do a lot worse than end up with a K-1 or K-1 II.

DennisP · 05-16-2018, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

The issue is that DP Review is looking for high end technical specs -- high frame rates, 4K video, top end auto focus. That's exactly what the K-1 II doesn't offer. Slightly over 4 fps, no 4K video, middling auto focus are what is found in the K-1 II package.

And yet, Pentax still makes cameras for photographers and if still photography is your focus, you could do a lot worse than end up with a K-1 or K-1 II.

Perhaps there should be scores assigned for different uses: Landscape, Street/Candid, Portrait, Event, Sport.

Tan68 · 05-17-2018, 04:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by DennisP

Perhaps there should be scores assigned for different uses: Landscape, Street/Candid, Portrait, Event, Sport.

Are freezer tests 'Event' or 'Sport' ?
'Street/Candid' could include dead animal still life.

**jpzk** · 05-17-2018, 04:53 PM - **1 Like**

As a reminder: dpr's K-1 II messed up review message now expanded by another confession - PentaxForums.com

emsee · 05-17-2018, 05:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

What a difference between Richard Butler's handling of this issue and that of a certain gentleman who's also a member here

Why are you afraid of mentioning his name? He should learn the hard way.

As I mentioned in another thread,it is a shame that such a person is an editor for a large photography gear forum!!!

**monochrome** · 05-17-2018, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

LOL. A pretty good assessment. My take is something like:

Sony: Hail the new king!
Nikon: Hail the old king!
Panasonic: Hail video!
Canon: Fan, but very annoyed and disappointed. Give us a Sony with a Canon badge and all is forgiven.
Olympus: Neutral (indifferent)
Fuji: Disliked (too much like Sony, too much not like Sony)
Leica: Jealous (secretly yearn for a closet full of Leica gear, but they won't give us free swag so we mock 'em)
Hassiblad: Open mockery (partially deserved, but also see Leica)
Pentax: Whipping boy to make everyone else look good (What?? It's gotta be someone)

The formal term for Whipping Boy is ‘Other”. That group which binds all favored groups together, and to the organization, as Not The Other, the active verb for which is ‘Othering’. DPR reviews are active Othering, and likely intentionally so.

**clackers** · 05-17-2018, 06:33 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by emsee

Why are you afraid of mentioning his name? He should learn the hard way.

As I mentioned in another thread,it is a shame that such a person is an editor for a large photography gear forum!!!

He didn't join this forum to contribute in any way, but to make one post defending his K-1 review on DPR after he banned Biz-engineer.

He was allowed the last say in a thread that got closed, which I think he'd have to be pleased with, because the probing questions over his processes and conduct were going to come thick and fast.

He hasn't been seen before or since, never paid to become a supporter, whatever.

Last edited by clackers; 05-17-2018 at 08:07 PM.

**monochrome** · 05-17-2018, 07:08 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by clackers

He didn't join this forum to contribute in any way, but to make one post defending his K-1 review on DPR after he banned Biz-engineer.

He was allowed the last say in a thread that got closed, which I think was very generous. He hasn't been seen before or after, never paid to become a supporter, whatever.

We should have a Badge Icon for that.

**BigMackCam** · 05-18-2018, 12:56 AM

I'll happily mention his name - we're talking about Rishi Sanyal.

For the record:

I'm all for discussion and critique on reviews and test methods at DPR or any other site. What I don't want is to put @Adam - the owner/operator of our site - at odds with owners and senior staff of other websites. That's not fair to him, and it's bad for business. When our discussions and critique escalate into personal jibes and name-calling, that's exactly what happens.

As @clackers indicates, Rishi has only posted here once back in 2016, but he logged in during 2017 too. His membership remains active, and the forum rules that protect our members from rudeness, insults and personal attacks are for the benefit of all members, whether-or-not they log in and/or post regularly.

Kunzite · 05-18-2018, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by emsee

Why are you afraid of mentioning his name? He should learn the hard way.

As I mentioned in another thread,it is a shame that such a person is an editor for a large photography gear forum!!!

Afraid?

I might hold back a bit, but if you think I'm afraid... then you didn't really watch this forum, or the other

**clackers** · 05-18-2018, 02:04 AM - **3 Likes**

Okay, Mike, it does beg the question ... what's more important, the camaraderie between website owners or the actual members of their websites, many of whom pay to keep them operating?

That's a rhetorical question, you're a famously reasonable person, and there's no way you should actually answer that.

I'll say nothing more on the issue myself, except that Rishi joining for free, getting his say, and acquiring immunity from criticism on the grounds that he's now not just a public figure but a fellow member, was a very, very smart move.

**BigMackCam** · 05-18-2018, 03:12 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by clackers

Okay, Mike, it does beg the question ... what's more important, the camaraderie between website owners or the actual members of their websites, many of whom pay to keep them operating?

That's a rhetorical question, you're a famously reasonable person, and there's no way you should actually answer that.

Thank you

But I'll take a stab anyway. In case there should ever be the slightest doubt from anyone, the most important thing for me is cameraderie amongst our own PF members, and fostering an environment where we can have friendly, sometimes robust, but always respectful discussion - including well-intentioned critique and an acceptance that disagreement is OK, if handled respectfully.

Originally posted by clackers

I'll say nothing more on the issue myself, except that Rishi joining for free, getting his say, and acquiring immunity from criticism on the grounds that he's now not just a public figure but a fellow member, was a very, very smart move.

Yeah, I absolutely get why he posted. But the thing is, he's not immune from criticism at all. I'm more than happy for his approach, the quality of his tests and results, his brand bias, even his individual actions with other forum members, to be discussed and critiqued and disagreed with (firmly, if need be) - and most of the time here, that's exactly what happens. Just occasionally, though, someone crosses the line into mockery, name-calling and jibes. That's the only bit I ever take issue with.

I've often opined that it's not always what we say, but how we say it that's important

Now... I'm off for a long lunch involving many foods and many liquids. I may be some time

MJKoski · 05-18-2018, 04:19 AM

Let's say DPR now reshoots and posts the results taken with decent lens. How is that going to change the fact the filtering happens with RAW file? It will not.

**monochrome** · 05-18-2018, 04:44 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by MJKoski

Let's say DPR now reshoots and posts the results taken with decent lens. How is that going to change the fact the filtering happens with RAW file? It will not.

If done correctly it should show the benefit of noise reduction far surpasses any marginal loss of edge detail.

Tan68 · 05-18-2018, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by clackers

... I'll say nothing more on the issue myself, except that Rishi joining for free, getting his say, and acquiring immunity from criticism on the grounds that he's now not just a public figure but a fellow member, was a very, very smart move.

My take-away from the recent messages is that is expected of members to be respectful whether the object of Intensely Respectful Comments is a member or not... yeah?

05-17-2018, 05:56 PM - 1 Like	#50
emsee Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 88	Originally posted by Kunzite What a difference between Richard Butler's handling of this issue and that of a certain gentleman who's also a member here Why are you afraid of mentioning his name? He should learn the hard way. As I mentioned in another thread,it is a shame that such a person is an editor for a large photography gear forum!!! Last edited by emsee; 05-17-2018 at 06:04 PM.

05-17-2018, 06:12 PM	#51
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd LOL. A pretty good assessment. My take is something like: Sony: Hail the new king! Nikon: Hail the old king! Panasonic: Hail video! Canon: Fan, but very annoyed and disappointed. Give us a Sony with a Canon badge and all is forgiven. Olympus: Neutral (indifferent) Fuji: Disliked (too much like Sony, too much not like Sony) Leica: Jealous (secretly yearn for a closet full of Leica gear, but they won't give us free swag so we mock 'em) Hassiblad: Open mockery (partially deserved, but also see Leica) Pentax: Whipping boy to make everyone else look good (What?? It's gotta be someone) The formal term for Whipping Boy is ‘Other”. That group which binds all favored groups together, and to the organization, as Not The Other, the active verb for which is ‘Othering’. DPR reviews are active Othering, and likely intentionally so. Last edited by monochrome; 05-18-2018 at 04:41 AM.

05-18-2018, 02:04 AM - 3 Likes	#56
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Okay, Mike, it does beg the question ... what's more important, the camaraderie between website owners or the actual members of their websites, many of whom pay to keep them operating? That's a rhetorical question, you're a famously reasonable person, and there's no way you should actually answer that. I'll say nothing more on the issue myself, except that Rishi joining for free, getting his say, and acquiring immunity from criticism on the grounds that he's now not just a public figure but a fellow member, was a very, very smart move. Last edited by clackers; 05-18-2018 at 02:35 AM.

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05-16-2018, 02:26 AM - 1 Like	#46
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	The issue is that DP Review is looking for high end technical specs -- high frame rates, 4K video, top end auto focus. That's exactly what the K-1 II doesn't offer. Slightly over 4 fps, no 4K video, middling auto focus are what is found in the K-1 II package. And yet, Pentax still makes cameras for photographers and if still photography is your focus, you could do a lot worse than end up with a K-1 or K-1 II.

05-16-2018, 09:50 AM	#47
DennisP Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 37	Originally posted by Rondec The issue is that DP Review is looking for high end technical specs -- high frame rates, 4K video, top end auto focus. That's exactly what the K-1 II doesn't offer. Slightly over 4 fps, no 4K video, middling auto focus are what is found in the K-1 II package. And yet, Pentax still makes cameras for photographers and if still photography is your focus, you could do a lot worse than end up with a K-1 or K-1 II. Perhaps there should be scores assigned for different uses: Landscape, Street/Candid, Portrait, Event, Sport.

05-17-2018, 04:44 PM - 1 Like	#48
Tan68 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 501	Originally posted by DennisP Perhaps there should be scores assigned for different uses: Landscape, Street/Candid, Portrait, Event, Sport. Are freezer tests 'Event' or 'Sport' ? 'Street/Candid' could include dead animal still life.

05-17-2018, 04:53 PM - 1 Like	#49
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	As a reminder: dpr's K-1 II messed up review message now expanded by another confession - PentaxForums.com

05-17-2018, 06:33 PM - 2 Likes	#52
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by emsee Why are you afraid of mentioning his name? He should learn the hard way. As I mentioned in another thread,it is a shame that such a person is an editor for a large photography gear forum!!! He didn't join this forum to contribute in any way, but to make one post defending his K-1 review on DPR after he banned Biz-engineer. He was allowed the last say in a thread that got closed, which I think he'd have to be pleased with, because the probing questions over his processes and conduct were going to come thick and fast. He hasn't been seen before or since, never paid to become a supporter, whatever. Last edited by clackers; 05-17-2018 at 08:07 PM.

05-17-2018, 07:08 PM - 2 Likes	#53
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by clackers He didn't join this forum to contribute in any way, but to make one post defending his K-1 review on DPR after he banned Biz-engineer. He was allowed the last say in a thread that got closed, which I think was very generous. He hasn't been seen before or after, never paid to become a supporter, whatever. We should have a Badge Icon for that.

05-18-2018, 12:56 AM	#54
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	I'll happily mention his name - we're talking about Rishi Sanyal. For the record: I'm all for discussion and critique on reviews and test methods at DPR or any other site. What I don't want is to put @Adam - the owner/operator of our site - at odds with owners and senior staff of other websites. That's not fair to him, and it's bad for business. When our discussions and critique escalate into personal jibes and name-calling, that's exactly what happens. As @clackers indicates, Rishi has only posted here once back in 2016, but he logged in during 2017 too. His membership remains active, and the forum rules that protect our members from rudeness, insults and personal attacks are for the benefit of all members, whether-or-not they log in and/or post regularly.

05-18-2018, 01:07 AM	#55
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by emsee Why are you afraid of mentioning his name? He should learn the hard way. As I mentioned in another thread,it is a shame that such a person is an editor for a large photography gear forum!!! Afraid? I might hold back a bit, but if you think I'm afraid... then you didn't really watch this forum, or the other

05-18-2018, 03:12 AM - 2 Likes	#57
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by clackers Okay, Mike, it does beg the question ... what's more important, the camaraderie between website owners or the actual members of their websites, many of whom pay to keep them operating? That's a rhetorical question, you're a famously reasonable person, and there's no way you should actually answer that. Thank you But I'll take a stab anyway. In case there should ever be the slightest doubt from anyone, the most important thing for me is cameraderie amongst our own PF members, and fostering an environment where we can have friendly, sometimes robust, but always respectful discussion - including well-intentioned critique and an acceptance that disagreement is OK, if handled respectfully. Originally posted by clackers I'll say nothing more on the issue myself, except that Rishi joining for free, getting his say, and acquiring immunity from criticism on the grounds that he's now not just a public figure but a fellow member, was a very, very smart move. Yeah, I absolutely get why he posted. But the thing is, he's not immune from criticism at all. I'm more than happy for his approach, the quality of his tests and results, his brand bias, even his individual actions with other forum members, to be discussed and critiqued and disagreed with (firmly, if need be) - and most of the time here, that's exactly what happens. Just occasionally, though, someone crosses the line into mockery, name-calling and jibes. That's the only bit I ever take issue with. I've often opined that it's not always what we say, but how we say it that's important Now... I'm off for a long lunch involving many foods and many liquids. I may be some time

05-18-2018, 04:19 AM	#58
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	Let's say DPR now reshoots and posts the results taken with decent lens. How is that going to change the fact the filtering happens with RAW file? It will not.

05-18-2018, 04:44 AM - 4 Likes	#59
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by MJKoski Let's say DPR now reshoots and posts the results taken with decent lens. How is that going to change the fact the filtering happens with RAW file? It will not. If done correctly it should show the benefit of noise reduction far surpasses any marginal loss of edge detail.

05-18-2018, 06:47 AM	#60
Tan68 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 501	Originally posted by clackers ... I'll say nothing more on the issue myself, except that Rishi joining for free, getting his say, and acquiring immunity from criticism on the grounds that he's now not just a public figure but a fellow member, was a very, very smart move. My take-away from the recent messages is that is expected of members to be respectful whether the object of Intensely Respectful Comments is a member or not... yeah?