K-1mk3 what if...

Kunzite · 05-17-2018, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Your quotes show that they planned the upgrade - is that your point??

Yes. They planned to include the accelerator in the "K-1" but since it couldn't be ready in time, they decided on a K-1 II version of the "K-1".

Roadrunnerdeluxe · 05-17-2018, 12:43 PM

I for one would like to be able to lower the ISO instead of raising it! ISO50 would really be something!

rodaballo · 05-17-2018, 04:17 PM

Anyhow the following FF Pentax camera will be launched, I think I can figure out what kind of review will have at DPR. Don't you?

GMounk · 05-17-2018, 07:21 PM - **1 Like**

I hope they keep the function dial on future full frame models, and also all the user settings. I like the mechanical feel of the K-1. It feels to me at least, more like a 35mm camera than a digital camera, because of the dials. The previous cameras I have owned didn't feel that way. The local surgeon in town also takes train pictures. He uses a Canon D5 mark. I feel its not as versatile or user friendly as the K-1, so I hope Pentax keeps all the dials on their future full frame cameras.

disconnekt · 05-17-2018, 08:21 PM - **1 Like**

Whatever the next planned FF is (K1 Mk-IIs, K1-3 etc.), some of the things they definitely need to add/update is:

1: A bigger buffer (~40+)
2: More AF points (~60+)
3: USB 3.1
4: Both card slots UHS-II compatible

MJKoski · 05-17-2018, 11:57 PM

Well, if Pentax wants to keep high IQ crown against other brands, then it could release ISO 25-800 fullframe. Provided that Ricoh is still not willing to invest in top class AF module and other bling-bling specs.

madbrain · 05-18-2018, 01:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MJKoski

Well, if Pentax wants to keep high IQ crown against other brands, then it could release ISO 25-800 fullframe. Provided that Ricoh is still not willing to invest in top class AF module and other bling-bling specs.

ISO 25-800 ? That would completely useless. What's the point of having a big FF sensor if you are still forced to use a tripod because ISO maxes out so low ? Even my smartphone shoots ISO 800. Why would anyone limit an FF camera to ISO 800 ? Just to make is as limited as a film camera?

**Rondec** · 05-18-2018, 02:31 AM - **1 Like**

It won't happen.

Next generation full frame from Pentax will have a new sensor, but it will also have other improvements -- better video, frame rates, and buffer as well as using USB 3 and faster SD cards and those can't be done just by swapping out the sensor and a little circuitry.

i83N · 05-18-2018, 03:08 AM

If we talking about USB, best solution would be USB-C with thunderbolt and fast charging.

MJKoski · 05-18-2018, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by madbrain

ISO 25-800 ? That would completely useless. What's the point of having a big FF sensor if you are still forced to use a tripod because ISO maxes out so low ? Even my smartphone shoots ISO 800. Why would anyone limit an FF camera to ISO 800 ? Just to make is as limited as a film camera?

Yaah, that is just the point. Low ISO tripod camera. If it AF system continues to be speed-lemon what is the point shooting Pentax anyway for a random photographer? DR can be be maximized this way. ISO6 would be even better. MK3 should also have built-in ND-filters as world's first in a MILC (mk3 should not be DSLR).

rodaballo · 05-18-2018, 04:32 AM

Pentax K-1 III speculation DPR pros:

- Weather sealing.
- Rugged construction.
- Interesting stacking pixel shift modes.
- Sufficient dynamic range.

Pentax K-1 III speculation DPR cons:

- Heavy, bulky and threatening compared to FF mirror-less options.
- Unreliable AF system.
- Non-revolutionary OVF.
- Few lenses available, usually at high price.
- Not friendly menus as compared to other brands.
- Not addressed to professional photographers.
- Weird JPG colors.
- Unremarkable company future plans as compared to other brands.

Do you think they will give me a job there?

reh321 · 05-18-2018, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by MJKoski

Well, if Pentax wants to keep high IQ crown against other brands, then it could release ISO 25-800 fullframe. Provided that Ricoh is still not willing to invest in top class AF module and other bling-bling specs.

Where will the sensor come from? You don't improve quality by just downgrading a sensor designed to provide 100 ISO. I'm also guessing they would reduce their potential market to just you and a few friends (*), and by your own words you've already demonstrated that they can't count on you.

(*) Towards the end of the age of film, I had trouble getting fresh Kodachrome 25; my local camera store would purchase a "brick" of fresh film, and it would be at it's expiration date when they sold the last of it - the demand just wasn't there anymore.

MJKoski · 05-18-2018, 10:47 AM

Sensor is manufactured according to the specs given by the one who orders it of course. Simple as that. Pentax cannot be successful jack-of-all-trades, why not focus on something which only Nikon dipped their toe in (D810 & ISO64), and win the game? Shooting without a tripod shows lack of discipline anyways and is doomed to fail should the resolution keep on rising.

disconnekt · 05-18-2018, 10:59 AM - **1 Like**

To limit the iso to a max of 800 for a FF DSLR is a giant step back 13+ years, no matter how good the IQ is, a very small handfull of people (if anybody) would buy it. If you want a high IQ dslr with a very limited ISO range, might as well get a Medium Format DSLR with a digital back like the Leaf Credo 80.

Fenwoodian · 05-18-2018, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by disconnekt

To limit the iso to a max of 800 for a FF DSLR is a giant step back 13+ years, no matter how good the IQ is, a very small handfull of people (if anybody) would buy it. If you want a high IQ dslr with a very limited ISO range, might as well get a Medium Format DSLR with a digital back like the Leaf Credo 80.

Speak for yourself. I'd buy it.

05-18-2018, 04:05 AM	#25
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	Originally posted by madbrain ISO 25-800 ? That would completely useless. What's the point of having a big FF sensor if you are still forced to use a tripod because ISO maxes out so low ? Even my smartphone shoots ISO 800. Why would anyone limit an FF camera to ISO 800 ? Just to make is as limited as a film camera? Yaah, that is just the point. Low ISO tripod camera. If it AF system continues to be speed-lemon what is the point shooting Pentax anyway for a random photographer? DR can be be maximized this way. ISO6 would be even better. MK3 should also have built-in ND-filters as world's first in a MILC (mk3 should not be DSLR). Last edited by MJKoski; 05-18-2018 at 04:13 AM.

05-18-2018, 05:43 AM	#27
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by MJKoski Well, if Pentax wants to keep high IQ crown against other brands, then it could release ISO 25-800 fullframe. Provided that Ricoh is still not willing to invest in top class AF module and other bling-bling specs. Where will the sensor come from? You don't improve quality by just downgrading a sensor designed to provide 100 ISO. I'm also guessing they would reduce their potential market to just you and a few friends (), and by your own words you've already demonstrated that they can't count on you. () Towards the end of the age of film, I had trouble getting fresh Kodachrome 25; my local camera store would purchase a "brick" of fresh film, and it would be at it's expiration date when they sold the last of it - the demand just wasn't there anymore. Last edited by reh321; 05-18-2018 at 06:01 AM.

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GMounk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Fort Frances, Ontario, Canada Posts: 132	I hope they keep the function dial on future full frame models, and also all the user settings. I like the mechanical feel of the K-1. It feels to me at least, more like a 35mm camera than a digital camera, because of the dials. The previous cameras I have owned didn't feel that way. The local surgeon in town also takes train pictures. He uses a Canon D5 mark. I feel its not as versatile or user friendly as the K-1, so I hope Pentax keeps all the dials on their future full frame cameras.

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disconnekt Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal/I.E. Photos: Albums Posts: 1,699	Whatever the next planned FF is (K1 Mk-IIs, K1-3 etc.), some of the things they definitely need to add/update is: 1: A bigger buffer (~40+) 2: More AF points (~60+) 3: USB 3.1 4: Both card slots UHS-II compatible

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MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	Well, if Pentax wants to keep high IQ crown against other brands, then it could release ISO 25-800 fullframe. Provided that Ricoh is still not willing to invest in top class AF module and other bling-bling specs.

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madbrain Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,341	Originally posted by MJKoski Well, if Pentax wants to keep high IQ crown against other brands, then it could release ISO 25-800 fullframe. Provided that Ricoh is still not willing to invest in top class AF module and other bling-bling specs. ISO 25-800 ? That would completely useless. What's the point of having a big FF sensor if you are still forced to use a tripod because ISO maxes out so low ? Even my smartphone shoots ISO 800. Why would anyone limit an FF camera to ISO 800 ? Just to make is as limited as a film camera?

05-18-2018, 02:31 AM - 1 Like	#23
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	It won't happen. Next generation full frame from Pentax will have a new sensor, but it will also have other improvements -- better video, frame rates, and buffer as well as using USB 3 and faster SD cards and those can't be done just by swapping out the sensor and a little circuitry.

05-18-2018, 03:08 AM	#24
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	If we talking about USB, best solution would be USB-C with thunderbolt and fast charging.

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rodaballo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 158	Pentax K-1 III speculation DPR pros: - Weather sealing. - Rugged construction. - Interesting stacking pixel shift modes. - Sufficient dynamic range. Pentax K-1 III speculation DPR cons: - Heavy, bulky and threatening compared to FF mirror-less options. - Unreliable AF system. - Non-revolutionary OVF. - Few lenses available, usually at high price. - Not friendly menus as compared to other brands. - Not addressed to professional photographers. - Weird JPG colors. - Unremarkable company future plans as compared to other brands. Do you think they will give me a job there?

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MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	Sensor is manufactured according to the specs given by the one who orders it of course. Simple as that. Pentax cannot be successful jack-of-all-trades, why not focus on something which only Nikon dipped their toe in (D810 & ISO64), and win the game? Shooting without a tripod shows lack of discipline anyways and is doomed to fail should the resolution keep on rising.

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disconnekt Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal/I.E. Photos: Albums Posts: 1,699	To limit the iso to a max of 800 for a FF DSLR is a giant step back 13+ years, no matter how good the IQ is, a very small handfull of people (if anybody) would buy it. If you want a high IQ dslr with a very limited ISO range, might as well get a Medium Format DSLR with a digital back like the Leaf Credo 80.

05-18-2018, 11:04 AM	#30
Fenwoodian Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,874	Originally posted by disconnekt To limit the iso to a max of 800 for a FF DSLR is a giant step back 13+ years, no matter how good the IQ is, a very small handfull of people (if anybody) would buy it. If you want a high IQ dslr with a very limited ISO range, might as well get a Medium Format DSLR with a digital back like the Leaf Credo 80. Speak for yourself. I'd buy it.