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**clackers** · 11-01-2018, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Pikselisiirto

I have mixed feelings about this lens. First one had quality control issues with "scratched" inner barrel surface which showed as white dots. Second one is free of those, but it seems it has decentered issue with the left side.

Well, a faulty specimen's not relevant, Pikselisiirto, decentering will affect all kinds of measures when the light doesn't converge at the same point.

You need to immediately send it back and get the great lens you paid for.

**clackers** · 11-01-2018, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

Yup, and it's my 3rd copy, and it's been serviced twice.

Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper!

A confirmation that it's the lens and not the scene you're photographing is if you rotate the camera body 90, 180 and 270 degrees and the softer area follows.

awscreo · 11-01-2018, 04:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper!

A confirmation that it's the lens and not the scene you're photographing is if you rotate the camera body 90, 180 and 270 degrees and the softer area follows.

I tried wing first two copies, I think I tested this one as well in summer with a target I downloaded online. It's kind of hard to tell with such wide lens, I think the target showed decentering. I'll do another series of tests before sending anything, I emailed Precision asking if they can send the K-1 together with the lens if I send it in.

---------- Post added 11-01-18 at 04:45 PM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper!

A confirmation that it's the lens and not the scene you're photographing is if you rotate the camera body 90, 180 and 270 degrees and the softer area follows.

Also, I'm just ticked off that it's a pro zoom, I was expecting higher QC for a $1400 (at the moment of purchase) lens, it was a major investment for me..

**clackers** · 11-01-2018, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

Also, I'm just ticked off that it's a pro zoom, I was expecting higher QC for a $1400 (at the moment of purchase) lens, it was a major investment for me..

Sure, but it's sample variation, Timur, they're not picking on you.

All the companies seem to do away with extensive QC at the end … let the customer test it!

Roger Cicala showed the bell curve for performance of a particular Canon lens, and it was L Series glass, too.

I reckon Zeiss do it differently in Germany, but they only make cine lenses there (the $5000 kind), AFAIK all those Milvuses et al are outsourced to Cosina in Japan, it's all about the cost savings.

awscreo · 11-01-2018, 05:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Sure, but it's sample variation, Timur, they're not picking on you.

All the companies seem to do away with extensive QC at the end … let the customer test it!

Roger Cicala showed the bell curve for performance of a particular Canon lens, and it was L Series glass, too.

I reckon Zeiss do it differently in Germany, but they only make cine lenses there (the $5000 kind), AFAIK all those Milvuses et al are outsourced to Cosina in Japan, it's all about the cost savings.

Yup, I'm just a super unlucky tester

Kunzite · 11-02-2018, 12:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by IgorZ

1. Comparing Pentax with Zeiss - Pentax has fewer chromatic aberrations (Hello Photozone, or what was that widely-discussed test that showed green fence as presence of chromatic aberrations?)

DPReview.
Photozone/Optical Limits didn't test it, and they don't even have a K-1 for that.

---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 09:55 AM ----------

Originally posted by clickclick

This just isn't helping the LBA.

It doesn't make me want to buy it. At all. Not even a passing thought.
Because I already have mine

Medex · 11-02-2018, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

DPReview.
Photozone/Optical Limits didn't test it, and they don't even have a K-1 for that.[COLOR="Silver"]

I think, IgorZ meant ePHOTOzine.com test

Kunzite · 11-02-2018, 01:13 AM

No, it was DPReview with the green fence. And with the "OMG it's heavy". And with the "OMG it's more expensive than the Sigma".
Hands-on with the Pentax HD FA* 50mm F1.4 (for real this time): Digital Photography Review

IgorZ · 11-02-2018, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

DPReview.
Photozone/Optical Limits didn't test it, and they don't even have a K-1 for that.

---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 09:55 AM ----------

It doesn't make me want to buy it. At all. Not even a passing thought.
Because I already have mine

Yes, that's the one, thank you.

**Digitalis** · 11-02-2018, 03:20 AM - **2 Likes**

Needless to say the Pentax D-FA 50mm f/1.4 will soon be added to my collection...I'm up to 193 50mm lenses in my collection now...I wonder if I'll ever make it to 200?

Originally posted by clackers

Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper!

and after much discussion with Sigma Japan, they directly sent me a hand written letter along with the 4th copy of the lens, along with charts certifying its performance*.

I'm impressed with Sigma Japan, they were the quintessential professional in their conduct: they earnestly wanted to rectify the problem with their product**. It's the distributor here in Australia that I'm not exactly thrilled about.

* Which I'll admit to testing the lens on my own bench, and their test results were accurate.

**as opposed to using customers as their private crash-test dummies.

Medex · 11-02-2018, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

No, it was DPReview with the green fence. And with the "OMG it's heavy". And with the "OMG it's more expensive than the Sigma".
Hands-on with the Pentax HD FA* 50mm F1.4 (for real this time): Digital Photography Review

Ah, yeah, I know thar review.

**clickclick** · 11-02-2018, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

It doesn't make me want to buy it. At all. Not even a passing thought.Because I already have mine

Spoken like a true addict!!!

awscreo · 11-02-2018, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Needless to say the Pentax D-FA 50mm f/1.4 will soon be added to my collection...I'm up to 193 50mm lenses in my collection now...I wonder if I'll ever make it to 200?

and after much discussion with Sigma Japan, they directly sent me a hand written letter along with the 4th copy of the lens, along with charts certifying its performance*.

I'm impressed with Sigma Japan, they were the quintessential professional in their conduct: they earnestly wanted to rectify the problem with their product**. It's the distributor here in Australia that I'm not exactly thrilled about.

* Which I'll admit to testing the lens on my own bench, and their test results were accurate.

**as opposed to using customers as their private crash-test dummies.

Wow. I'm having tough time just getting replies from Pentax. Two separate guys said "they take my case very seriously, and will contact me at a later date with a solution". That was like 2 months ago, not a peep. Precision's manager that was keeping me updated on my case before doesn't reply either.

**UncleVanya** · 11-02-2018, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by awscreo

Wow. I'm having tough time just getting replies from Pentax. Two separate guys said "they take my case very seriously, and will contact me at a later date with a solution". That was like 2 months ago, not a peep. Precision's manager that was keeping me updated on my case before doesn't reply either.

Precision has a history of communications issues. Their work is typically better than their talking. Sigh. I wish they understood how it negatively affect customer satisfaction.

Kunzite · 11-02-2018, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by clickclick

Spoken like a true addict!!!

Ha ha, I just couldn't stay away from the first truly high-end Pentax lens in a long while.

11-02-2018, 03:20 AM - 2 Likes	#40
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,695	Needless to say the Pentax D-FA 50mm f/1.4 will soon be added to my collection...I'm up to 193 50mm lenses in my collection now...I wonder if I'll ever make it to 200? Originally posted by clackers Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper! and after much discussion with Sigma Japan, they directly sent me a hand written letter along with the 4th copy of the lens, along with charts certifying its performance. I'm impressed with Sigma Japan, they were the quintessential professional in their conduct: they earnestly wanted to rectify the problem with their product. It's the distributor here in Australia that I'm not exactly thrilled* about. * Which I'll admit to testing the lens on my own bench, and their test results were accurate. *as opposed to using customers as their private crash-test dummies. Last edited by Digitalis; 11-02-2018 at 03:27 AM.*

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11-01-2018, 04:05 PM	#31
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Pikselisiirto I have mixed feelings about this lens. First one had quality control issues with "scratched" inner barrel surface which showed as white dots. Second one is free of those, but it seems it has decentered issue with the left side. Well, a faulty specimen's not relevant, Pikselisiirto, decentering will affect all kinds of measures when the light doesn't converge at the same point. You need to immediately send it back and get the great lens you paid for.

11-01-2018, 04:07 PM	#32
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by awscreo Yup, and it's my 3rd copy, and it's been serviced twice. Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper! A confirmation that it's the lens and not the scene you're photographing is if you rotate the camera body 90, 180 and 270 degrees and the softer area follows.

11-01-2018, 04:44 PM - 1 Like	#33
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by clackers Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper! A confirmation that it's the lens and not the scene you're photographing is if you rotate the camera body 90, 180 and 270 degrees and the softer area follows. I tried wing first two copies, I think I tested this one as well in summer with a target I downloaded online. It's kind of hard to tell with such wide lens, I think the target showed decentering. I'll do another series of tests before sending anything, I emailed Precision asking if they can send the K-1 together with the lens if I send it in. ---------- Post added 11-01-18 at 04:45 PM ---------- Originally posted by clackers Digitalis loves his Sigma 8-16mm, but it took a 4th copy to be a keeper! A confirmation that it's the lens and not the scene you're photographing is if you rotate the camera body 90, 180 and 270 degrees and the softer area follows. Also, I'm just ticked off that it's a pro zoom, I was expecting higher QC for a $1400 (at the moment of purchase) lens, it was a major investment for me..

11-01-2018, 05:14 PM	#34
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by awscreo Also, I'm just ticked off that it's a pro zoom, I was expecting higher QC for a $1400 (at the moment of purchase) lens, it was a major investment for me.. Sure, but it's sample variation, Timur, they're not picking on you. All the companies seem to do away with extensive QC at the end … let the customer test it! Roger Cicala showed the bell curve for performance of a particular Canon lens, and it was L Series glass, too. I reckon Zeiss do it differently in Germany, but they only make cine lenses there (the $5000 kind), AFAIK all those Milvuses et al are outsourced to Cosina in Japan, it's all about the cost savings.

11-01-2018, 05:16 PM - 1 Like	#35
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by clackers Sure, but it's sample variation, Timur, they're not picking on you. All the companies seem to do away with extensive QC at the end … let the customer test it! Roger Cicala showed the bell curve for performance of a particular Canon lens, and it was L Series glass, too. I reckon Zeiss do it differently in Germany, but they only make cine lenses there (the $5000 kind), AFAIK all those Milvuses et al are outsourced to Cosina in Japan, it's all about the cost savings. Yup, I'm just a super unlucky tester

11-02-2018, 12:54 AM - 1 Like	#36
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by IgorZ 1. Comparing Pentax with Zeiss - Pentax has fewer chromatic aberrations (Hello Photozone, or what was that widely-discussed test that showed green fence as presence of chromatic aberrations?) DPReview. Photozone/Optical Limits didn't test it, and they don't even have a K-1 for that. ---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 09:55 AM ---------- Originally posted by clickclick This just isn't helping the LBA. It doesn't make me want to buy it. At all. Not even a passing thought. Because I already have mine

11-02-2018, 01:09 AM	#37
Medex Pentaxian Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vilnius Posts: 1,023 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite DPReview. Photozone/Optical Limits didn't test it, and they don't even have a K-1 for that.[COLOR="Silver"] I think, IgorZ meant ePHOTOzine.com test

11-02-2018, 01:13 AM	#38
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	No, it was DPReview with the green fence. And with the "OMG it's heavy". And with the "OMG it's more expensive than the Sigma". Hands-on with the Pentax HD FA* 50mm F1.4 (for real this time): Digital Photography Review

11-02-2018, 03:13 AM	#39
IgorZ Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,735	Originally posted by Kunzite DPReview. Photozone/Optical Limits didn't test it, and they don't even have a K-1 for that. ---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 09:55 AM ---------- It doesn't make me want to buy it. At all. Not even a passing thought. Because I already have mine Yes, that's the one, thank you.

11-02-2018, 05:01 AM	#41
Medex Pentaxian Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vilnius Posts: 1,023 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite No, it was DPReview with the green fence. And with the "OMG it's heavy". And with the "OMG it's more expensive than the Sigma". Hands-on with the Pentax HD FA* 50mm F1.4 (for real this time): Digital Photography Review Ah, yeah, I know thar review.

11-02-2018, 06:34 AM	#42
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,904	Originally posted by Kunzite It doesn't make me want to buy it. At all. Not even a passing thought.Because I already have mine Spoken like a true addict!!!

11-02-2018, 06:57 AM	#43
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by Digitalis Needless to say the Pentax D-FA 50mm f/1.4 will soon be added to my collection...I'm up to 193 50mm lenses in my collection now...I wonder if I'll ever make it to 200? and after much discussion with Sigma Japan, they directly sent me a hand written letter along with the 4th copy of the lens, along with charts certifying its performance. I'm impressed with Sigma Japan, they were the quintessential professional in their conduct: they earnestly wanted to rectify the problem with their product. It's the distributor here in Australia that I'm not exactly thrilled* about. * Which I'll admit to testing the lens on my own bench, and their test results were accurate. **as opposed to using customers as their private crash-test dummies. Wow. I'm having tough time just getting replies from Pentax. Two separate guys said "they take my case very seriously, and will contact me at a later date with a solution". That was like 2 months ago, not a peep. Precision's manager that was keeping me updated on my case before doesn't reply either.

11-02-2018, 07:06 AM	#44
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,477	Originally posted by awscreo Wow. I'm having tough time just getting replies from Pentax. Two separate guys said "they take my case very seriously, and will contact me at a later date with a solution". That was like 2 months ago, not a peep. Precision's manager that was keeping me updated on my case before doesn't reply either. Precision has a history of communications issues. Their work is typically better than their talking. Sigh. I wish they understood how it negatively affect customer satisfaction.

11-02-2018, 07:07 AM	#45
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by clickclick Spoken like a true addict!!! Ha ha, I just couldn't stay away from the first truly high-end Pentax lens in a long while.

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