Originally posted by reh321 As has already been said, the K-70 is the latest member of the K-n0 line, so this was not a case their removing things the line has always had, but a failure to add one more feature that has never been in that line.
Interesting guess, and perhaps partially correct, but I disagree. Software isn't sealed forever into gold plates or anything and we aren't talking about thoroughbred horses, but as a "retired sw engineer" (I am assuming "sw" stands for software), you should know that. The K-70 shares almost nothing with the "K-n0 line", rather being a hodge podge of features from the K-S1/S2, K-5/5ii, K-3/3ii, and even the K-1.
It shares the same Prime MII as the K-S1 and K-S2, not the Prime M of the K-n0 line before it and yet the K70 has the 14 bit RAW of the the K-7, K-5 K-3, KP, and K1 (all the other previous models were 12 bit, including the K-S1, K-S2, K-01, K-30, K-50, K-5, etc.), and the newer UI shared with the KP and K1. K70 has a microphone jack (missing on the earlier K-n0 models). The K70 has "pixel shift", only shared with the K-3ii, the KP and the K-1, and further, the "motion correction" in pixel shift mode, only shared with the KP and K1. It also has on-sensor phase detection, the first and only Pentax body to do so, and this necessitates the software implementation to utilize it. These are just a few examples of low-level coding, to interface with the associated hardware. Mid-level and upper-level; UI, for example, such as offering direct access to my "nitpicks", which are really only mid-level pipelines to the lower hardware I/O... can be changed with a simple firmware update, should the
company marketing department management chose to do so.
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Originally posted by reh321 I paid $700 for my KP, which is not much more than the K-70, but I like the camera much more. I like the build quality much more - weight difference is a one result of 'build quality' {body has metal frame}; and I have yet to see anyone question the KP's aperture control, but already several people have raised questions about aperture control on two+ year old K-70 cameras. I
love the small grip on the KP {count this as one rave
for it
}. Most people who prefer the articulated screen are shooting either video or 'selfies'. I use the flip-down screen when taking 'discrete' photos {'street photography'} - the subject sees me looking down at the camera, but doesn't see the screen {which is hidden by the camera body} .... an articulated screen would stick out like a sore thumb. And I absolutely
love the design of my 'silver' model .... reminds me so much of my beloved Super Program
Honestly I was really leaning towards the KP over the K70, initially. I actually *like* the KP's overall style, especially the knobs. I thought that the screen was something I would never miss. Was I ever wrong! Maybe that's just me.
No, I don't use it for video or selfies, but the flexibility in shooting angles combined with the extra protection of being able to flip the screen inwards is something I would greatly miss, if I had to do it all over again.
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Originally posted by Des Actually the most common complaint about a feature missing from recent entry-level models is the flash master/controller that was there in the K-30/K-50 but was dropped from (I think) the K-S1 onwards. But then the K-3ii and K-1 series don't have it either, because there is no popup flash. KP is the only current model that has it.
Huh! I wasn't aware of this!
Quote: I had to rack my brain to think of the list of pros for the K-70 over the KP. Most of these things are very minor. (I can't comment on how the on-sensor phase detect works - presumably for video.) There's a good use-case for the flippy screen (e.g. it provides easier viewing when the camera is in portrait orientation), and many would find the grip better, but other than that personally I'd find it hard to argue for the K-70 when the price difference is now so small (only $A100 or $US70 here at present). That's no criticism of the K-70, just that the KP is now exceptional value. I think it's a different class of camera - superior build, AF, exposure metering, SR, etc etc.
I'm not so sure... Yes, the KP has some very nice features lacking on the K-70. Again, if it had the same grip as the K-70, and the same screen functionality, I would buy one. As the line up stands right now? I would still buy the K70 over the KP even if they were the same price.
Quote: I have a feeling the Pentax DSLR lineup will look very different by this time next year.
I hope so! ~fingers crossed~
Ultimately neither model is what many would have hoped for in a K-3ii successor. Neither is very cost prohibitive either. If I get 60,000 shots out of my $600 K-70, that's only a penny per exposure, and I will have felt very satisfied. Even at 10 cents a shot, before an untimely death (or the "aperture lock up" lightning bolt happens to strike mine), would I still buy another Pentax? You bet.