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11-30-2023, 02:26 AM - 1 Like   #16
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I have a K-70 and the older DA 55-300 because I got it used at a good price. The PLM version is definitely meant to be better, but I know it is possible to get decent wildlife images with the older version, just it's harder, so might be frustrating for a 7 year old.
My daughter is 12 now and uses my old K-x and has done since she was about 4. For the last 3 years for hiking I've taken a D-FA 28-105. It's a full frame lens, but it was going cheap, (as in 1/3 the price I could get a DA 16-85 for), and I've found it's served well. It's not quite as wide as I'd like for landscapes, but I've managed to get some nice landscapes with it all the same, and the extra reach at the long end is useful if you're only carrying one lens.
I've used it for some fungi and plants, but obviously it's too short for birds unless they're large or really close. (That has happened on occasion, and I've had some great images on the rare occasion it did.)
The 55-300 in its various forms is a bit long to rely on as an only lens for landscapes, but the kit 18-55 is light, and actually not too bad if it's stopped down a bit and you get a third party lens hood (assuming you have the D-AL kit version which lacks quick shift and a lens hood.)
I recently acquired a DA 16-85 with the express intent to use it as a hiking lens, but haven't had a chance to put it through its paces yet, to compare with the 28-105. By rights it should be preferable on a K-70, but I don't know if I'll miss the 20mm extra reach on the long end.
If you want to go hiking and travel light, it's a tough choice if you're interested in a broad range of subjects.
My natural history kit now is actually two cameras. I take the K-70 with a 55-300 on it for birds and the like, and I have an Olympus TG-6 for macro. It's tiny and fits in my pocket. The image quality of the TG-6 is much inferior as it's got a tiny sensor, but I'm not going to do giant prints of macro images, so it's good enough, and it's waterproof so I can take photos of fish and invertebrates in streams. It actually does a fairly decent job of macro photography.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kiwizinho Quote
I have a K-70 and the older DA 55-300 because I got it used at a good price. The PLM version is definitely meant to be better, but I know it is possible to get decent wildlife images with the older version, just it's harder, ...
Hiking or sailing, my basic outdoors kit always includes the 16-85mm and the 55-300 PLM. (I'll often throw the 40mm Ltd in a child's sock in a shirt pocket too!). With a K-70 or KP it's a fairly light, easily portable kit. For out-and-back day sailing or for in-and-out hiking, I'll often switch from one to the other on the return as it changes your perspective.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Suhail Quote

I have 55-300 mm PLM, but I am not giving it to our 7 yo on a full time basis LOL! I will get him a KF and he can use my 18-135mm that he uses with K-r, sometimes getting my K-5iis to experiment with. He has used my 55-300 PLM on a few occasions though.
The 18-135 is a good overall lens but a bit short for wild life unless you are teaching your son to stalk. I would be concerned about disappointment if he cannot get close enough to get good shots, but I have a question. You want your son to develop interests in wild life / nature, and while some of his interests surely will overlap yours, others may diverge greatly he might like macro, and close ups etc, or wide angle vistas as opposed to focusing in tightly on one subject. So on that side, the 18-135 might just start him down a slightly different path that can be satisfied with a more “focused” lens selection if and when the time comes
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QuoteOriginally posted by jgnfld Quote
Hiking or sailing, my basic outdoors kit always includes the 16-85mm and the 55-300 PLM. (I'll often throw the 40mm Ltd in a child's sock in a shirt pocket too!). With a K-70 or KP it's a fairly light, easily portable kit. For out-and-back day sailing or for in-and-out hiking, I'll often switch from one to the other on the return as it changes your perspective.
I should add that the K-70 also takes nicely surreal wildlife photos given the "proper" settings!...

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For small hands the K-S1 if you can get one. ....rl=https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/184-pentax-k-s1-k-s2/388567-manual-solenoid-replacement-pentax-k-s1.html]Manual: Solenoid replacement: Pentax K-S1 - PentaxForums.com[/url]
Kids also might love the gimmicks the K-S1 can do. Not important but it is a mighty Pentax. With a DA50 and DA35 light.
With a A50/2,8 macro even with a smaller lens but no AF but good to learn.
I had K-S2 that he used first when he was a 5 year old in Chicago when I was not even in the entourage. I wish I could upload his pictures here. I loved my K-S2. It had a shutter block problem and I got that repaired. Unfortunately, it got stolen during a trip abroad. Sometimes I do think to buy a used one.

I have 35 mm that he can use, but he prefers a zoom lens and goes for my 10-17, 18-135 or even 55-300 PLM.

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I think I have to agree here. I would suggest a “superzoom compact” may be a better starting point. Having said that, we don’t know your son. I couldn’t imagine myself carrying around an SLR with a large lens when I was 7.
His mom handed my very less used Canon RP with 24-105 mm lens to him. He did not like it at all. Back to K-r and KP he went.

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Going away from the brand of Pentax , i would highly recommend the Panasonic lumix fz82.......... .
That's what I started with back in 2021 when I got the bug for photography....
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I think he needs someone to constantly give him an assurance that he has selected the correct settings. With any other brand, I will have to learn the camera first. His mom gave him my dust gathering Canon RP and he did not like it primarily because I could not guide him on various settings. So he went back to K-r and my KP.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ChristianRock Quote
Are you kidding, if I was a 7yo aspiring photographer I'd be in heaven with either the K-70 or the KF

They are basically the same camera, but only the more recent K-70 cameras are safe from the infamous solenoid aperture failure - which won't affect the 55-300mm PLM anyway, it uses a different aperture system.

Someone suggested the K-S1 and while I love that body, it's not the body for longer lenses, the grip is too small. I use it with small lenses and it's great for that.
Hi,

I was a victim of my favorite K-S2's solenoid aperture failure, which I got fixed and then it got stolen. I would love to buy a used K-S2. He will love completely reticulating screen of KF or K-S2 very much. Actually, he started on K-S2 in 2019 when he was only 5 yo.

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I have a K-70 and the older DA 55-300 because I got it used at a good price. The PLM version is definitely meant to be better, but I know it is possible to get decent wildlife images with the older version, just it's harder, so might be frustrating for a 7 year old.
My daughter is 12 now and uses my old K-x and has done since she was about 4. For the last 3 years for hiking I've taken a D-FA 28-105. It's a full frame lens, but it was going cheap, (as in 1/3 the price I could get a DA 16-85 for), and I've found it's served well. It's not quite as wide as I'd like for landscapes, but I've managed to get some nice landscapes with it all the same, and the extra reach at the long end is useful if you're only carrying one lens.
I've used it for some fungi and plants, but obviously it's too short for birds unless they're large or really close. (That has happened on occasion, and I've had some great images on the rare occasion it did.)..........The image quality of the TG-6 is much inferior as it's got a tiny sensor, but I'm not going to do giant prints of macro images, so it's good enough, and it's waterproof so I can take photos of fish and invertebrates in streams. It actually does a fairly decent job of macro photography.
Hi Kiwizinho,

Thank you for leaving a detailed comment. I think getting our boy a K-70 at a reduced price or a KF will make sense. He will be using one of several lenses in my repertoire. I think he will be good with kit lens 18-135 mm, because he goes for everything - from fooling around taking shots of leaves to his mom in various poses to rabbits, squirrels and robins. I think like me he is fast developing into a jack of all trades and master of none. I would rather not go into any other system, because he constantly asks me for a setting that I know in Pentax gear, but another brand would require me to develop my knowledge on it to help him.

Personally, I have been researching OM-1 to OM-5 with a suitable Zuiko lens, watching Espen Halland's videos, but I stop short of buying because I get intimidated by having to spend time in learning the new system rather than developing my skills on the existing Pentax gear.

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The 18-135 is a good overall lens but a bit short for wild life unless you are teaching your son to stalk. I would be concerned about disappointment if he cannot get close enough to get good shots, but I have a question. You want your son to develop interests in wild life / nature, and while some of his interests surely will overlap yours, others may diverge greatly he might like macro, and close ups etc, or wide angle vistas as opposed to focusing in tightly on one subject. So on that side, the 18-135 might just start him down a slightly different path that can be satisfied with a more “focused” lens selection if and when the time comes
Very well said, Lowell!

Right now, he just goes around taking shots of plants, flowers, squirrels, robins, rocks, sometimes butterflies, and easily approachable waterfowl. He uses K-r primarily, but I can easily see that the camera is unable to keep pace with his blitzkrieg photography. Sometimes he just asks for my KP with 55-300 PLM on it to shoot birds from a distance. I am just letting him develop his own interests and see if he remains a generalist like me or a specialist in one particular area. I just don't want him to lose interest in photography using a basic camera like K-r.

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I've been shooting k70 with the 150-450 for a couple of months and am quite happy with it, tho I woudnt call the AF reliable especialy shooting in low light or dark colored birds (but maybe thats just me). I'd recomand the setup if your 7yo Is also interested in bodybuilding =)

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QuoteOriginally posted by jgnfld Quote
I should add that the K-70 also takes nicely surreal wildlife photos given the "proper" settings!...
😁 Exactly that happened to me a couple of weeks ago


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I've been shooting k70 with the 150-450 for a couple of months and am quite happy with it, tho I woudnt call the AF reliable especialy shooting in low light or dark colored birds (but maybe thats just me). I'd recomand the setup if your 7yo Is also interested in bodybuilding =)[
Hi,

If I get a D FA 150-450 mm, and based on so many positive reviews that there is a strong possibility that I will, I will pair it with my KP and use it.

The little one only gets KF/K-70 with 18-135 mm or 10-17 mm LOL!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Suhail Quote
Hi,

If I get a D FA 150-450 mm, and based on so many positive reviews that there is a strong possibility that I will, I will pair it with my KP and use it.

The little one only gets KF/K-70 with 18-135 mm or 10-17 mm LOL!
It's also a sweet looking lens besides being a great optic...and bit of a confidence booster. Not long ago I was shooting a concert for my sister (who was performing in a choir) and an organizer looking person asked me for whome I was shooting. 😅

Here I would also highlight the ISO and SR performance. The concert was in the evening and I was shooting across a basilica (in Třebíč). I was shooting on 12500+ at pretty much constant 450mm and 120ish shutter and a lot of the pictures were usably (for family remembrance anyways) sharp with manageable noise in post (I use Darktable) an all that with me being a total novice with maybe a quite shaky hands (tho maybe I've got that impression from most likely faulty SR on my ancient Panasonic point and shoot since I don't have that problem on other cameras).
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It's also a sweet looking lens besides being a great optic...and bit of a confidence booster. Not long ago I was shooting a concert for my sister (who was performing in a choir) and an organizer looking person asked me for whome I was shooting. 😅

Here I would also highlight the ISO and SR performance. The concert was in the evening and I was shooting across a basilica (in Třebíč). I was shooting on 12500+ at pretty much constant 450mm and 120ish shutter and a lot of the pictures were usably (for family remembrance anyways) sharp with manageable noise in post (I use Darktable) an all that with me being a total novice with maybe a quite shaky hands (tho maybe I've got that impression from most likely faulty SR on my ancient Panasonic point and shoot since I don't have that problem on other cameras).
Wow!

That is really good image!
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Wow!

That is really good image!
Thank you =)
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I should add that the K-70 also takes nicely surreal wildlife photos given the "proper" settings!...
I accidently had that setting on got some wild shots that I was baffled by!!!
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