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10-05-2018, 02:16 PM - 8 Likes   #1
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K-70 Underexposed Photo Reports

There have been a couple of recent threads regarding gross underexposure (essentially black) on some or all photos. While it is not fully clear whether these reports are related or (shudder) whether there is an emerging problem similar to the aperture block failure common to the K-30/K-50 models, it seems reasonable to provide a clearinghouse thread in an attempt to determine who is having problems and the evident point of failure. For the sake of clarity and accountability, it would be good to limit experiences to those of our users and not reference claims from other forums or rumor sites.


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To date, I am aware of the following Pentax Forums users having problems with dark frames:

User @dudesohungry (31 Aug 2018) : K70 ISO problem - PentaxForums.com
Not known if this was an aperture or other problem.

User @drumhead (17 Sept 2018) : Strange behaviour from my K-70...aperture block? - PentaxForums.com
Presumptive aperture control issue. Camera sent for warranty service.

User @CodyH (30 Sept 2018): K-70 aperture motor question - PentaxForums.com
Confirmed aperture control issue with root cause not known. Warranty service may be attempted (camera barely out of warranty). Update -- camera is being sent for service and will probably be covered under warranty.

User @RichFam (5 Oct 2018): K-70 Underexposed Photo Reports - PentaxForums.com
Confirmed aperture control issue with root cause not known at about one year post purchase. Did not seek warranty service.

User @asalwa (11 Nov 2018): K70 aperture block? - PentaxForums.com
Confirmed aperture control issue with root cause not known, August 2018. Out-of-warranty repair was performed, though it is unknown what was replaced/adjusted.

User @Eric_Hall (10 Dec 2018): Dark images - PentaxForums.com
Confirmed aperture control issue with root cause not known with camera to be sent for service under warranty.


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Three (initial) similar problems in less that a month's span are a potential cause for concern. Any future reports may be logged here in an effort to determine if these are isolated incidents or evidence of a larger issue. At the very least, this thread may serve to qualify claims of multiple reports from the Web regarding K-70 aperture control problems.

Note: Terminology is important and it is good to be clear on terms. Here are a few starters along with working definitions:
  • Exposure problems: images are over or underexposed. Cause may be anything from user inexperience to hardware meltdown
  • Metering issues: Bad meter readings leading to inappropriate settings
  • Dark Image Syndrome (DIS): Term coined by user @reh321 for unexplained dark frames despite correct settings
  • Aperture Control Failure/Issue: Iris opening during exposure does not reflect set value. Example: Camera is set to wide open, but exposure is made with lens stopped down to smallest opening. This sort of behavior may have many different causes as diverse as damage or failure in the lens itself and water incursion causing damage to body electronics.
  • Aperture Block Failure: This is the specific failure of the so-called aperture block solenoid used for aperture control on a wide span of Pentax SLR bodies dating back as far as the early 1980s. Failure of this component affected a large number of K-30, K-50, and K-500 bodies and was the cause of aperture control failure on those cameras. A similar unit was fitted to the K-S1 and K-S2. It is possible that the K-70 has a similar part, hence this thread.
  • Diaphragm control block : G100 Proper name and part number for the assembly that controls the aperture opening on most Pentax cameras since the early 1980s. "Aperture block" and "Aperture control block" are synonyms in common usage.
  • Diaphragm control block : G200 Proper name and part number for the assembly that controls the aperture opening on flagship models since the release of the K-7. As of 11 Oct 2018, it is not clear whether the K-70 uses this part or the G100 part above.
Hopefully, there is no cause for alarm.


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(...not a K-70 owner, but was heavily involved in the first wave of K-30 problems several years ago...)


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10-05-2018, 02:24 PM - 1 Like   #2
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Good idea, and hopefully this stays a tumble-weed thread.
I would be surprised and disappointed if the K-70 picks up the blight, as the K-S2 has not in any significant numbers.
My K-50 failed and I fixed it, and I would love to pick up a K-70 some time for it's great feature set.
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hmm, sad to know K70 also have similar issues.
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QuoteOriginally posted by suraswami Quote
hmm, sad to know K70 also have similar issues.
FWIW, it is not unusual for a user on this site to report exposure problems. What distinguishes these three is the close time span and the similarity of symptoms to each other. Given that 6-14% of dSLRs and mirrorless cameras fail during the first three years of ownership,* one would expect that a few K-70s might fail in this and other ways. Except for the previous experience with the K-30/K-50 models, these reports would be unremarkable; that said, it is probably not good to jump to any conclusions regarding cause or prevalence.


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* consumerreports.org, reliability report for digital cameras as of 10/5/18.

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My K-70 is also experiencing aperture block failure. It started when the camera was about a year old with approximately 15,000 shutter activations.

It has all of the classic symptoms: the aperture will close all of the way down regardless of the camera settings, resulting in underexposed photos, unless I actually meter at the lens minimum (f/16, f/22, etc.) when, of course, the exposure will be perfect. I can "wake up" the camera using the depth-of-field preview and it will then work correctly for a while, but it seems like this "quick-fix" will eventually stop working, so I use it only sparingly.

When I set the aperture manually with a lens equipped with an aperture ring the camera works perfectly.

It's disappointing, but not a big issue for me. Only two of my 13 lenses are affected: the 15mm f/4 Ltd, which currently has a broken focusing mechanism and so is out of commission in any case, and the 18-135mm kit lens, which I really don't use that much. All of my other lenses have aperture rings and work fine in manual mode.
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QuoteOriginally posted by richfam Quote
My K-70 is also experiencing aperture block failure. It started when the camera was about a year old with approximately 15,000 shutter activations.
Out of curiosity, did you seek warranty service? Ricoh/Pentax is very good about covering service for cameras newly out of warranty. If your camera failed at or near the end of warranty, I suggest contacting them.


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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Out of curiosity, did you seek warranty service?
I decided against looking into warranty service, because I really don't want to be without a camera for whatever length of time that process might take. Eventually I want to get a second body (ideally a shiny new KP, but a used K-S2 is more likely) and then sending the K-70 off for service would become a option that I would consider. Until then, I'm perfectly happy leaving the K-70 set on M and setting the lens aperture the old-fashioned way.
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QuoteOriginally posted by richfam Quote
I decided against looking into warranty service, because I really don't want to be without a camera for whatever length of time that process might take. Eventually I want to get a second body (ideally a shiny new KP, but a used K-S2 is more likely) and then sending the K-70 off for service would become a option that I would consider. Until then, I'm perfectly happy leaving the K-70 set on M and setting the lens aperture the old-fashioned way.
You should be aware that part of the reason for so much interest in aperture control on the K-70 is that people have had real reliability troubles with K-30/50 aperture control; we've been hoping the K-S2 was an improvement from that and the K-70 was a further improvement. KP inherits from the normally reliable K-7/5/3/1.

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Try to clean your sensor with fluid.
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QuoteOriginally posted by KDD Quote
Try to clean your sensor with fluid.
Since no context was provided by using "Quote Reply", I don't know who this was aimed at, but this misses the point. The method provided elsewhere is the proper place to start:
QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
The gold standard for diagnosing aperture block failure is to put the camera in M mode (auto ISO off, aperture ring not being used) with aperture set wide open and shutter speed at something slow (e.g. 1-2 seconds). Release the shutter while observing the aperture opening through the front of the lens.* Anything other than the aperture remaining wide open is indication of a problem with the controller. If the problem has been intermittent, it may help to do the test after a period of non-use. Even one failure is significant.

* This method was instrumental in diagnosing the initial wave of aperture block failures on the K-30 and narrowing the cause to a fault in a mechanical component rather than electronics.
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Precision camera repair has received my camera and verified aperture failure. They have provided me a quote of $246.73 to repair the camera 15 days out of warranty. I will make some calls to Ricoh USA today and see if I can get this handled. Will update again, hopefully with better news.

*Update* Spoke with Precision and they are contacting their Ricoh warranty repair on my behalf. Fingers crossed!

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QuoteOriginally posted by CodyH Quote
Precision camera repair has received my camera and verified aperture failure. They have provided me a quote of $246.73 to repair the camera 15 days out of warranty. I will make some calls to Ricoh USA today and see if I can get this handled. Will update again, hopefully with better news.

*Update* Spoke with Precision and they are contacting their Ricoh warranty repair on my behalf. Fingers crossed!
Hopefully they do this for free.
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QuoteOriginally posted by CodyH Quote
Precision camera repair has received my camera and verified aperture failure. They have provided me a quote of $246.73 to repair the camera 15 days out of warranty. I will make some calls to Ricoh USA today and see if I can get this handled. Will update again, hopefully with better news.

*Update* Spoke with Precision and they are contacting their Ricoh warranty repair on my behalf. Fingers crossed!
Should you have the camera repaired ask if Precision will return the defective part(s) to you along with the repaired camera.
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Precision camera repair has received my camera and verified aperture failure.
Good that they see the same symptoms you saw. If you don't hear anything in the next day or so, contact Precision again about Ricoh's response. Their process with Ricoh is sort of "broken" in that Ricoh tends to lose authorization requests and Precision tends to forget to check on authorization progress.

QuoteOriginally posted by Not a Number Quote
Should you have the camera repaired ask if Precision will return the defective part(s) to you along with the repaired camera.
Good idea.


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QuoteOriginally posted by CodyH Quote
Precision camera repair has received my camera and verified aperture failure. They have provided me a quote of $246.73 to repair the camera 15 days out of warranty. I will make some calls to Ricoh USA today and see if I can get this handled. Will update again, hopefully with better news.

*Update* Spoke with Precision and they are contacting their Ricoh warranty repair on my behalf. Fingers crossed!
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