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04-10-2021, 03:57 PM - 6 Likes   #1
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Super cheap K-70 from Amazon Warehouse

A member recently highlighted a deal on a used "acceptable" condition K-70 on Amazon from Amazon Warehouse Deals:

Pentax K-70 Body In Amazon Warehouse $234.84 - PentaxForums.com

I snapped it up and just received it today. It looks absolutely brand new except for not including the original box. I cannot find a mark or cosmetic flaw of any kind on it whatsoever, despite the listing indicating:

"1 of: Pentax K-70 Weather-Sealed DSLR Camera, Body Only (Black)
Sold by: amazon.com Services LLC

Condition: Used - Acceptable
Cosmetic imperfections, bigger than 1", on front of the camera body. Item will come repackaged."

Here is a photo of what I received from Amazon Warehouse:
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I will update this post/thread with the results of my testing, which I expect to complete this coming week.


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Congrats, that was a really nice grab!! Post some pictures from it when you can!
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Nice catch. Just to satisfy my curiosity, did you check shutter count?
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Nice score!

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So, Here are some more details of brief testing.

I am pretty certain that none of the items in this kit had previously been removed from their plastic baggies or bubble wrap. If they had, someone was very careful to repackage everything without evidence that it had been opened. The battery is stamped with a manufacturing date of March 2020 (202003).

The battery's initial voltage when removed from packaging was 7.37 volts on my multimeter, indicating roughly 50% charge, which is what one would expect for a battery shipped from the factory.

As you can see from the photos below, there was plastic film over the rear screen, and the camera powered up to set-up mode (firmware version 1.0). I went through the setup process (some settings, like date format, were already modified by me before snapping these photos) and snapped a photo last night. I have included both this photo, and EXIF metadata analysis from the online tool here on PentaxFoums ( Check Camera Shutter Count and Manufacture Date ). I am including the metadata analysis in a separate table for convenience. The first photo I took (IMGP00001.JPG) shows a shutter count of "2" which, if accurate, may reflect a single snap previously performed at the factory as part of QC procedures. EXIF shows a manufacture date for the camera body of August 20th, 2020, so very recent for a camera model released in, I think, 2015.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jumbleview Quote
Nice catch. Just to satisfy my curiosity, did you check shutter count?
See below!

QuoteOriginally posted by ChristianRock Quote
Congrats, that was a really nice grab!! Post some pictures from it when you can!
You can count on it. I hope to post some photos later this week, but I see no reason to suspect an issue with the aperture block/solenoid given the camera's recent manufacture date. I have, however, picked up one of the older "white, made-in-Japan" solenoids to be on the safe side, in case problems develop later on.

Here is the first photo I took with the camera (entertaining these ladies last night with veggie burgers and teriyaki chicken on the grill). Metadata also in separate tables below:
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---------- Post added 04-11-2021 at 11:40 AM ----------

.....In conclusion, it seems that this is a factory new camera that simply lacks it's orginal box, and as I also noticed, its printed instruction manual.

I also just noticed that I accidentally set the month ahead by one when I was setting up the date. I corrected this.

~ Jon
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QuoteOriginally posted by jon.partsch Quote
So, Here are some more details of brief testing.

I am pretty certain that none of the items in this kit had previously been removed from their plastic baggies or bubble wrap. If they had, someone was very careful to repackage everything without evidence that it had been opened. The battery is stamped with a manufacturing date of March 2020 (202003).

The battery's initial voltage when removed from packaging was 7.37 volts on my multimeter, indicating roughly 50% charge, which is what one would expect for a battery shipped from the factory.

As you can see from the photos below, there was plastic film over the rear screen, and the camera powered up to set-up mode (firmware version 1.0). I went through the setup process (some settings, like date format, were already modified by me before snapping these photos) and snapped a photo last night. I have included both this photo, and EXIF metadata analysis from the online tool here on PentaxFoums ( Check Camera Shutter Count and Manufacture Date ). I am including the metadata analysis in a separate table for convenience. The first photo I took (IMGP00001.JPG) shows a shutter count of "2" which, if accurate, may reflect a single snap previously performed at the factory as part of QC procedures. EXIF shows a manufacture date for the camera body of August 20th, 2020...

In conclusion, it seems that this is a factory new camera that simply lacks it's orginal box, and as I also noticed, its printed instruction manual.

I also just noticed that I accidentally set the month ahead by one when I was setting up the date. I corrected this.

~ Jon
I've had that happen more than once with an Amazon Warehouse buy, brand new and never unpacked stuff that was marked in the description as having a blemish. An example would be my 27" 4K monitor listed with blemishes on the frame, but on receipt there were none, never removed from the plastic which was still taped to the monitor. I consider Amazon Warehouse deals to be a pretty solid gamble.

Always good to see forum members get a deal on their gear.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gatorguy Quote
I've had that happen more than once with an Amazon Warehouse buy, brand new and never unpacked stuff that was marked in the description as having a blemish. An example would be my 27" 4K monitor listed with blemishes on the frame, but on receipt there were none, never removed from the plastic which was still taped to the monitor. I consider Amazon Warehouse deals to be a pretty solid gamble.

Always good to see forum members get a deal on their gear.
Amazon Warehouse is almost always worth the gamble for me as someone in a relatively urban/suburban environment because, even if the item is exactly as described and I simply decide that I don't want it, there are plenty of Amazon drop-off sites (like Whole Foods) where I can return it for free for simply having "changed my mind"

I am thrilled to have gotten amazing deals on almost all of my Pentax DSLRs over the years:
  • My K110D had less than 200 shutter actuations when I got it on eBay for $150 when the model had only been on the market a couple of years
  • My K-5 was the only body I paid full retail - about $1000
  • My K-1ii had less than 2000 shutter actuations when I got it in like new condition as part of a large package of FF lenses and equipment from a fellow forum member. It's hard to estimate my cost on this one, as it was part of a package, but I am estimating about $1200
  • Now I got a brand new K-70 $255 after factoring in the sales tax.

I will be listing my K-5 in the sales section very soon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jon.partsch Quote
Amazon Warehouse is almost always worth the gamble for me as someone in a relatively urban/suburban environment because, even if the item is exactly as described and I simply decide that I don't want it, there are plenty of Amazon drop-off sites (like Whole Foods) where I can return it for free for simply having "changed my mind"
From my experience it will work for you for first your return, maybe for second. But then you'll start to see problems.

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From my experience it will work for you for first your return, maybe for second. But then you'll start to see problems.
Ah! good to know. I've probably only ever returned a couple things to Amazon Warehouse.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jon.partsch Quote
I snapped it up and just received it today.
Wow, it looks like you got a really good deal. From my purchase of a new K-70 previously, I don't remember it having the plastic film over the LCD but perhaps Ricoh updated the packaging. Anyway, glad to hear that it worked out for you.
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Yes! I'm thrilled this one is in great condition and working without the solenoid failure!

You got a steal with this one!

And echoing so many other comments elsewhere... i can't even begin to tell you how many great snags I've picked up off Amazon Warehouse.
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Yes! I'm thrilled this one is in great condition and working without the solenoid failure!

You got a steal with this one!

And echoing so many other comments elsewhere... i can't even begin to tell you how many great snags I've picked up off Amazon Warehouse.
I have also purchased a group of four "parts" bodies including three K100-series and one *ist-series body. I will be harvesting the "made in Japan white" solenoids from them, keeping one for myself (just in case) and offering the rest to the community here at a cost that merely covers the cost of the parts bodies and shipping. They will probably be about $25 each as opposed to the one seller on eBay who is offering Japan/white solenoids for $45 each. I hope this will be a help to some other folks. Incedentally, I will have some other bits from those bodies I can send along to folks that need them for a couple $US.

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Wow, it looks like you got a really good deal. From my purchase of a new K-70 previously, I don't remember it having the plastic film over the LCD but perhaps Ricoh updated the packaging. Anyway, glad to hear that it worked out for you.
I was able to find three unboxing videos for the K-70 where there was no cut-away in the video from when the box was first opened to when the rear screen was first folded out. I think only one of these videos showed a buyer/unboxer in the USA, but none of the three cameras in those videos had this film on over the screen. I doubt this means anything, because who would go to the trouble of doing something like this to make a used camera appear new, especially if it wasn't consistent with the original packaging?
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QuoteOriginally posted by jon.partsch Quote
I will be harvesting the "made in Japan white" solenoids from them, keeping one for myself (just in case) and offering the rest to the community here at a cost that merely covers the cost of the parts bodies and shipping.
It looks like your listing for the solenoids is now live. Thanks for offering these to users who don't want the trouble of acquiring and dismantling a donor camera.

QuoteOriginally posted by jon.partsch Quote
I think only one of these videos showed a buyer/unboxer in the USA, but none of the three cameras in those videos had this film on over the screen. I doubt this means anything, because who would go to the trouble of doing something like this to make a used camera appear new, especially if it wasn't consistent with the original packaging?
I suspect most of the unboxing videos were taken shortly after the K-70 was introduced. It's quite possible Ricoh updated the camera packaging, to add the protective film at some point in the production run.
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It looks like your listing for the solenoids is now live. Thanks for offering these to users who don't want the trouble of acquiring and dismantling a donor camera.
Thank you!! If these sell quickly, then I will try to offer more if I can find any more cheap parts bodies.


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I suspect most of the unboxing videos were taken shortly after the K-70 was introduced. It's quite possible Ricoh updated the camera packaging, to add the protective film at some point in the production run.
Yeah, totally. Whatever the reason for the film on the back screen, it amounts to nothing.

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In conclusion, it seems that this is a factory new camera that simply lacks it's orginal box
Well, I'm afraid I couldn't resist when Amazon posted another K-70 with the same price and condition description. I already have a K-70 stuck in the UK that I can't get to due to Covid-19 travel restrictions, so I guess I will really need another one anyway. I will let you know how it looks when it turns up.
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