KP-like mirrorless solution?

**dms** · 01-20-2018, 11:41 PM

I use a 35mm optical finder ** on a K-x with 20mm f/4 M lens and it is very nice handling, and small. I would try such an arrangement w/ the newer small Pentax. It combines the speed and ability to see what is entering the frame using the optical finder, along w/ the advantages of dslr.
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** The 35mm finder magnification allows me to shoot w/ both eyes open--likely not so with a 28mm finder.

house · 01-21-2018, 05:18 AM

My preferred solution would be to keep the ovf and instead put RnD on minimizing the distance from sensor to back of camera.The mirror box could almost be pushed into the camera thickness. Perhaps radically rethinking the screen would help. There's so much stuff back there. I know it's necessary but I'd like to add. For now. Would be great if someone radically explored the consequences of making thinness a goal for a dslr. The KP is a good model to start off with. Just replace the flash with a GPS

**acoufap** · 01-21-2018, 10:08 PM

Interesting image! - What‘s possible today in going smaller we can see if we look at other cameras that also include IBIS and flexible displays plus EVF - even with FF and MF.

Homo Sapiens and animals DNA wise are the same by more than (I think) 97%! Cameras are tools and manufacturers have their concepts to make them somehow unique. But that can change - like DNA, whatever definition we use. Without change of DNA there won‘t be progress through evolution.

stevebrot · 01-27-2018, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by house

instead put RnD on minimizing the distance from sensor to back of camera.

Goodbye rear LCD and IBIS...

Steve

**bobbotron** · 01-28-2018, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

K-01 is a decent camera but they made every discretionary decision precisely incorrectly. The camera couldn’t overcome the sum of their errors.

A K-mount MILC optimized to APSc prime pancake lenses, designed to look like a camera with even a passable EVF would sell quite well, I believe, if they market the comparable combined mass and volume of a camera and lens together versus competition comparable lens FL.

I took my K01 (don't use it much) to NYC last week as a carry around. I agree, it's a nice camera, but it would be a ton better with some more grip and an updated viewfinder. Those two things alone I'd use it so much more.

Bophoto · 01-30-2018, 04:18 PM

Take a Ricoh GR, make it just little bigger. Use a larger Q mount and modify DA limiteds + GR 18mm.
Just 1 fps, optional evf and touch screen instead of more buttons. And a extra battery

And it's much smaller than Sony/Fuji APS.

01-21-2018, 05:18 AM	#17
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	My preferred solution would be to keep the ovf and instead put RnD on minimizing the distance from sensor to back of camera.The mirror box could almost be pushed into the camera thickness. Perhaps radically rethinking the screen would help. There's so much stuff back there. I know it's necessary but I'd like to add. For now. Would be great if someone radically explored the consequences of making thinness a goal for a dslr. The KP is a good model to start off with. Just replace the flash with a GPS Last edited by house; 01-21-2018 at 05:20 AM. Reason: added

01-30-2018, 04:18 PM	#21
Bophoto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 429	Take a Ricoh GR, make it just little bigger. Use a larger Q mount and modify DA limiteds + GR 18mm. Just 1 fps, optional evf and touch screen instead of more buttons. And a extra battery And it's much smaller than Sony/Fuji APS. Last edited by Bophoto; 01-30-2018 at 04:47 PM.

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01-20-2018, 11:41 PM	#16
dms Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New York, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,192	I use a 35mm optical finder on a K-x with 20mm f/4 M lens and it is very nice handling, and small. I would try such an arrangement w/ the newer small Pentax. It combines the speed and ability to see what is entering the frame using the optical finder, along w/ the advantages of dslr. _____ The 35mm finder magnification allows me to shoot w/ both eyes open--likely not so with a 28mm finder.

01-21-2018, 10:08 PM	#18
acoufap Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Munich, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,184 Original Poster	Interesting image! - What‘s possible today in going smaller we can see if we look at other cameras that also include IBIS and flexible displays plus EVF - even with FF and MF. Homo Sapiens and animals DNA wise are the same by more than (I think) 97%! Cameras are tools and manufacturers have their concepts to make them somehow unique. But that can change - like DNA, whatever definition we use. Without change of DNA there won‘t be progress through evolution.

01-27-2018, 11:14 PM	#19
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by house instead put RnD on minimizing the distance from sensor to back of camera. Goodbye rear LCD and IBIS... Steve

01-28-2018, 07:33 PM	#20
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by monochrome K-01 is a decent camera but they made every discretionary decision precisely incorrectly. The camera couldn’t overcome the sum of their errors. A K-mount MILC optimized to APSc prime pancake lenses, designed to look like a camera with even a passable EVF would sell quite well, I believe, if they market the comparable combined mass and volume of a camera and lens together versus competition comparable lens FL. I took my K01 (don't use it much) to NYC last week as a carry around. I agree, it's a nice camera, but it would be a ton better with some more grip and an updated viewfinder. Those two things alone I'd use it so much more.

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