Why I won't buy a KP.

**BigMackCam** · 01-26-2017, 07:47 AM - **15 Likes**

I already posted this in the "Why I won't buy a K-3" thread. However, for the benefit of those considering the KP, here's why I won't be buying one...

- 'PRIME IV' image processing engine with image accelerator unit (so PRIME IV is slow and needs an accelerator unit?)
- 5-axis 'SR II' in-body image stabilisation (is a 6th axis really too much to expect?!)
- 27-point (25 cross-type) 'SAFOX 11' autofocus system (not interested until SAFOX 12 is released, and I want all 27 points to be cross-type!)
- Sensitivity: ISO 100-819,200 (how can I shoot in a forest, in the dead of night, with high shutter speeds and no flash, at only ISO 819,200?)
- Continuous drive: 7 fps; JPEG: up to 28 frames; RAW: up to 8 frames; RAW +: up to 7 frames (7fps - not much use when the 8th frame is the keeper!)
- Maximum shutter speed: 1/6,000s (mechanical shutter), 1/24,000s (electronic shutter) (and I'm supposed to stop motion with this, am I?)
- Dust-proof and drip-proof casing with 67 seals; cold resistance up to minus 10℃ (hardly a selling point - I've never had a camera that dripped)
- Pixel Shift (I want my pixels to stay still, thank you very much)
- Optical viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage and approx. 0,95x magnification (approximate? approximate?! No dice!)
- Full HD video, 4K interval video (and this helps my stills photography HOW, exactly?)
- Dust Removal II (so it's not actually "dust proof" after all... I knew it!)
- Motion bracket, depth-of-field bracketing function (yes, and I suppose it'll brush my teeth for me, too? Or have a cup of tea ready for me when I get out of bed?)
- Built-in Wi-Fi (IEEE 802.11b/g/n) (but no Bluetooth!)
- Compatible with 'O-GPS-1' GPS unit (old technology, and what if the satellite network fails, eh?)
- Storage media: SD / SDHC / SDXC cards (and I have to buy those myself, do I?)
- Battery: D-LI109 (puny, low power battery - good for ten photos and then I have to recharge it!)
- D-LI109 and D-LI90P available for battery grip D-BG7 (another new grip to buy, and the extra battery capacity lets me take 20 photos instead of 10? No thanks!)
- Dimensions: 131.5 x 101 x 76mm (virtually identical to the kaythree that none of us wanted!)
- Weight: 643g body only, 703g including battery and memory card (only because of the puny battery and single SD card slot!)
- Color: Black / Silver (make your mind up, hociR, which one is it? Indecisive, as always)
- Expected release date: February 23rd, 2017 (only if hociR irons out the bugs by then!)
- Lens Kit: none (oh great... how am I supposed to take photos without a lens? Duh...)
- MSRP: ¥137,700 - 8% tax included ("8% tax included"?? So they'll include the sales tax but can't stretch to a lens?)

And to top it all, there's that front control knob and lack of a top panel LCD... yuck.

Yessiree, I'll be sticking with my K-3 / K-3II... in fact, no... I'm getting rid of those and using only my GX-10 from now on. Everyone knows the CCD sensor is better...

Anyone who buys a KP is just *nuts*...

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Last edited by BigMackCam; 01-26-2017 at 07:57 AM.

DeadJohn · 01-26-2017, 08:04 AM - **5 Likes**

...because the KP includes 67 seals. My bathtub isn't big enough for all of them to swim.

My real answer: I spent my camera budget on a K-1 and 15-30.

I suspect that the K-3ii will be a better value for most people in the market for an APS-C body.

petebfrance · 01-26-2017, 08:08 AM - **1 Like**

Lack of money

Truth is, of course, that it is because they aren't doing those nice colours like they did on the KS1. Black and silver are so 60's

Vasyl · 01-26-2017, 08:42 AM

I wouldn't buy it too...because I am not shooting at such conditions...
nice camera though and great video.

https://photolari.com/pentax-kp-prueba-resistencia/

**Rondec** · 01-26-2017, 08:46 AM

I probably won't get one because I have a k-1 and K3 and those are enough for me.

That said, I am a little more interested in the K3 replacement than in this camera. Buffer is a little on the weak side and it doesn't really offer much more than the K3, although we'll need to wait to see actual high iso image quality and dynamic range at low iso. That last thing is the number one thing that K-1 has over the K3 in my book.

Not a Number · 01-26-2017, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by THoog

After the whine and cheese has been exhausted.

If you tire of whine, women and song, give up song!

**Tony Belding** · 01-26-2017, 09:07 AM

Dials with cryptic markings. Dials with no markings. Dials that control what other dials do.

Anyhow, no APS-C flappy mirror camera is going to lure me away from my Sony A7. The world has moved on.

normhead · 01-26-2017, 09:16 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Tony Belding

Dials with cryptic markings. Dials with no markings. Dials that control what other dials do.

Anyhow, no APS-C flappy mirror camera is going to lure me away from my Sony A7. The world has moved on.

No cheap feeling 24 MP camera that barely out-resolves a K-3 is going to lure me away from my K-1. The world has moved on.

Pen-A · 01-26-2017, 09:19 AM

Because I already have K-1, K-5IIs and GR in good use and that´s enough for now.. If you don´t believe that´s enough just ask my wife..

npc · 01-26-2017, 09:32 AM

Mostly because the battery is not D-LI90

**Kevin B123** · 01-26-2017, 09:36 AM

The best reason of all, LBA😀

The Squirrel Mafia · 01-26-2017, 11:45 AM

Why will I not buy the KP?

It's not the droid that I'm looking for.

Errr..... I mean, it's not the camera that I'm looking for.

MarkJerling · 01-26-2017, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by normhead

When are we going to start discussing bacon?

Bacon discussions are over on the K-3 thread Norm! https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/239325-why-i-wont-buy-k3-w...read-2164.html

**jpzk** · 01-26-2017, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Sqideyes

I open this thread for all the whingers, whiners and Doooomsdayers.
And........ to find out who I need to put on my ignore list. Tic*

*Tongue in cheek

Whiner here !

So ... this is supposed to become a Satire Thread too ?

((Ignore list: allowed)).

For me:
- no significant proof that the (high) ISO performance/noise will beat that of the K5; we shall see. ... EDIT: according to recent tests ... yes it does beat the K5 for high ISO "handling".
- is the AF improved over that of the K3/K3II ? we shall also see.
- battery longevity ... seems a step backward.
- no top LCD ... I use that a LOT on my K5 and K3.

JP

MarkJerling · 01-26-2017, 12:26 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Tony Belding

Dials with cryptic markings. Dials with no markings. Dials that control what other dials do.

Anyhow, no APS-C flappy mirror camera is going to lure me away from my Sony A7. The world has moved on.

So how do you like that pixelly and slow EVF?

01-26-2017, 08:08 AM - 1 Like	#18
petebfrance New Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 15	Lack of money Truth is, of course, that it is because they aren't doing those nice colours like they did on the KS1. Black and silver are so 60's Last edited by petebfrance; 01-26-2017 at 08:25 AM. Reason: More of the truth

01-26-2017, 12:25 PM	#29
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by Sqideyes I open this thread for all the whingers, whiners and Doooomsdayers. And........ to find out who I need to put on my ignore list. Tic* Tongue in cheek Whiner here ! So ... this is supposed to become a Satire Thread too ? ((Ignore list: allowed)). For me: - no significant proof that the (high) ISO performance/noise will beat that of the K5; we shall see. ... EDIT: according to recent tests ... yes it does beat the K5 for high ISO "handling". - is the AF improved over that of the K3/K3II ? we shall also see. - battery longevity ... seems a step backward. - no top LCD ... I use that a LOT on my K5 and K3. JP Last edited by jpzk; 01-27-2017 at 08:45 PM. Reason: added stuff*

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01-26-2017, 07:47 AM - 15 Likes	#16
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,695	I already posted this in the "Why I won't buy a K-3" thread. However, for the benefit of those considering the KP, here's why I won't be buying one... - 'PRIME IV' image processing engine with image accelerator unit *(so PRIME IV is slow and needs an accelerator unit?)* - 5-axis 'SR II' in-body image stabilisation *(is a 6th axis really too much to expect?!)* - 27-point (25 cross-type) 'SAFOX 11' autofocus system *(not interested until SAFOX 12 is released, and I want all 27 points to be cross-type!)* - Sensitivity: ISO 100-819,200 *(how can I shoot in a forest, in the dead of night, with high shutter speeds and no flash, at only ISO 819,200?)* - Continuous drive: 7 fps; JPEG: up to 28 frames; RAW: up to 8 frames; RAW +: up to 7 frames *(7fps - not much use when the 8th frame is the keeper!)* - Maximum shutter speed: 1/6,000s (mechanical shutter), 1/24,000s (electronic shutter) *(and I'm supposed to stop motion with this, am I?)* - Dust-proof and drip-proof casing with 67 seals; cold resistance up to minus 10℃ *(hardly a selling point - I've never had a camera that dripped)* - Pixel Shift *(I want my pixels to stay still, thank you very much)* - Optical viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage and approx. 0,95x magnification *(approximate? approximate?! No dice!)* - Full HD video, 4K interval video *(and this helps my stills photography HOW, exactly?)* - Dust Removal II *(so it's not actually "dust proof" after all... I knew it!)* - Motion bracket, depth-of-field bracketing function *(yes, and I suppose it'll brush my teeth for me, too? Or have a cup of tea ready for me when I get out of bed?)* - Built-in Wi-Fi (IEEE 802.11b/g/n) *(but no Bluetooth!)* - Compatible with 'O-GPS-1' GPS unit *(old technology, and what if the satellite network fails, eh?)* - Storage media: SD / SDHC / SDXC cards *(and I have to buy those myself, do I?)* - Battery: D-LI109 *(puny, low power battery - good for ten photos and then I have to recharge it!)* - D-LI109 and D-LI90P available for battery grip D-BG7 *(another new grip to buy, and the extra battery capacity lets me take 20 photos instead of 10? No thanks!)* - Dimensions: 131.5 x 101 x 76mm *(virtually identical to the kaythree that none of us wanted!)* - Weight: 643g body only, 703g including battery and memory card (only because of the puny battery and single SD card slot!) - Color: Black / Silver *(make your mind up, hociR, which one is it? Indecisive, as always)* - Expected release date: February 23rd, 2017 *(only if hociR irons out the bugs by then!)* - Lens Kit: none (oh great... how am I supposed to take photos without a lens? Duh...) - MSRP: ¥137,700 - 8% tax included ("8% tax included"?? So they'll include the sales tax but can't stretch to a lens?) And to top it all, there's that front control knob and lack of a top panel LCD... yuck. Yessiree, I'll be sticking with my K-3 / K-3II... in fact, no... I'm getting rid of those and using only my GX-10 from now on. Everyone knows the CCD sensor is better... Anyone who buys a KP is just nuts... Attached Images Last edited by BigMackCam; 01-26-2017 at 07:57 AM.

01-26-2017, 08:04 AM - 5 Likes	#17
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	...because the KP includes 67 seals. My bathtub isn't big enough for all of them to swim. My real answer: I spent my camera budget on a K-1 and 15-30. I suspect that the K-3ii will be a better value for most people in the market for an APS-C body.

01-26-2017, 08:42 AM	#19
Vasyl Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 648	I wouldn't buy it too...because I am not shooting at such conditions... nice camera though and great video. https://photolari.com/pentax-kp-prueba-resistencia/

01-26-2017, 08:46 AM	#20
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	I probably won't get one because I have a k-1 and K3 and those are enough for me. That said, I am a little more interested in the K3 replacement than in this camera. Buffer is a little on the weak side and it doesn't really offer much more than the K3, although we'll need to wait to see actual high iso image quality and dynamic range at low iso. That last thing is the number one thing that K-1 has over the K3 in my book.

01-26-2017, 08:52 AM	#21
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by THoog After the whine and cheese has been exhausted. If you tire of whine, women and song, give up song!

01-26-2017, 09:07 AM	#22
Tony Belding Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Hamilton, Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 787	Dials with cryptic markings. Dials with no markings. Dials that control what other dials do. Anyhow, no APS-C flappy mirror camera is going to lure me away from my Sony A7. The world has moved on.

01-26-2017, 09:16 AM - 1 Like	#23
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Tony Belding Dials with cryptic markings. Dials with no markings. Dials that control what other dials do. Anyhow, no APS-C flappy mirror camera is going to lure me away from my Sony A7. The world has moved on. No cheap feeling 24 MP camera that barely out-resolves a K-3 is going to lure me away from my K-1. The world has moved on.

01-26-2017, 09:19 AM	#24
Pen-A Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 675	Because I already have K-1, K-5IIs and GR in good use and that´s enough for now.. If you don´t believe that´s enough just ask my wife..

01-26-2017, 09:32 AM	#25
npc Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 313	Mostly because the battery is not D-LI90

01-26-2017, 09:36 AM	#26
Kevin B123 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,187	The best reason of all, LBA😀

01-26-2017, 11:45 AM	#27
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,058	Why will I not buy the KP? It's not the droid that I'm looking for. Errr..... I mean, it's not the camera that I'm looking for.

01-26-2017, 12:24 PM	#28
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,423	Originally posted by normhead When are we going to start discussing bacon? Bacon discussions are over on the K-3 thread Norm! https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/239325-why-i-wont-buy-k3-w...read-2164.html

01-26-2017, 12:26 PM - 1 Like	#30
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,423	Originally posted by Tony Belding Dials with cryptic markings. Dials with no markings. Dials that control what other dials do. Anyhow, no APS-C flappy mirror camera is going to lure me away from my Sony A7. The world has moved on. So how do you like that pixelly and slow EVF?