Nobody supporting KP's RAW files yet?

UlrichSchiegg · 06-27-2017, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

I don't understand. I import the DNG, edit it, and export a JPEG. How much more support do you need?

From dng import to jpg export, what does your software do?

DXO only releases a camera if lenses have been measured against that specific camera, such that correction modules are available. A lot of people use the dxo modules as plugins into Adobe software.

Sandy Hancock · 06-27-2017, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by UlrichSchiegg

From dng import to jpg export, what does your software do?

That must be the difference. I manually edit every parameter. No pre-sets, ever.

talgarik · 06-28-2017, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

That must be the difference. I manually edit every parameter. No pre-sets, ever.

The support UlrichSchiegg is talking about has nothing to do with common pre-sets, DXO is not for "presets guys"

DXO offers a unique - as far as I know - feature to adjust technical issues of every camera + lens combination supported by the software.
What is the point of editing manually CA or doing even more elaborated technical corrections? a lab tested correction for every lens+camera combination is much faster and reliable than what you can achieve manually in this regard, not to mention the even more unique features of technical corrections provided by DXO.
Of course such an extended technical support is the reason why DXO is usually slower than other RAW processing softwares in providing support for new cameras.

Sandy Hancock · 06-28-2017, 06:03 AM - **2 Likes**

I guess that is where we differ. I don't necessarily *want* to correct everything. For me at least, part of the charm of photography is the character with which each lens renders a scene.

Editing raw images is about evoking the vision and feel of the moment of capture, not satisfying some technocrat's idea of what is correct.

Each to their own

talgarik · 06-28-2017, 06:15 AM

You won't believe it, Sandy Hancock, but I agree with you.
DXO's corrections are not compulsory, it has a quick feature allowing you to see the result of its corrections and comparing it with the uncorrected image, you can keep them, you can ignore them: your choice

UlrichSchiegg · 06-28-2017, 06:55 AM

Well, it is not just about lens correction like vignette etc. see below. Some raw converters like DXO and others link the lens to the camera, others do not it, like lightroom. In reviews / tests the raw converters which link the lens to the camera often achieve better results mainly in sharpness, color and noise reduction at high ISO. Negative consequence is, that raw processing time and the duration until modules are available, take longer.

FAQ ? DxO OpticsPro automatic corrections | www.dxo.com

"Why do DxO Optics Modules correspondent to a camera/lens combination instead of just to a lens?

As you can see from DxOMark measurements, a lens’s performance can vary greatly depending on the camera it’s mounted on, so correcting optical defects requires taking into account the specificities of each camera.

For example, the sharpness correction applied by an Optics Module is influenced by the sensor resolution, the presence or absence of a low-pass filter, the sensor’s noise characteristics, etc. It must also compensate for any possible corrections embedded in the camera, which is particularly true of JPEG files, for which corrections are often irreversibly applied."

ajack · 06-28-2017, 07:34 AM - **1 Like**

Is there any reason not to use the DNG format? That’s what I have my K-1 set to. As far as I know there isn’t any difference in size or performance with DNG, and it’s practically universally supported. With camera-specific RAW formats I would worry about losing access to the files in 10 or 20 years (especially with Pentax being such a niche player).

UlrichSchiegg · 06-30-2017, 12:34 PM

DXO corrected release date to 12th July, for those who have the patience to wait, which I happily have :-)

talgarik · 06-30-2017, 09:58 PM

It is not a matter of patience, for ages the supported cameras list has reported June 2017 as the time for the KP support, paying customers deserve respect. At least the updated info should be reported on their website. What is your source? thanks

UlrichSchiegg · 07-01-2017, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by talgarik

[...] What is your source? thanks

Did ask dxo

UlrichSchiegg · 07-12-2017, 11:51 AM

Can be downloaded.

**seagas** · 07-15-2017, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Huh? I used Lightroom with my KP (RAW always!) every day on my recent Italian holiday. No issues at all. A total delight actually.

Some results HERE

Those some really nice shots! I was an idiot when I was there and shot everything in JPEG

**twilhelm** · 07-15-2017, 12:24 PM

Just curious, what does Rawtherapee require as far as disk space and hardware?

apete · 07-31-2017, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by talgarik

Yesterday I finally got my KP, today I have used it for the first time and now I'd like to work on the files, I have DXO and After Shot, both of them don't support KP's RAW files - at least DXO's website has a time line saying modules will be available in June, so it seems they are working on it.
Waiting for DXO, any other options? how are you processing these files?

PS: I see that LR supports the KP but I have tried it in the past and I don't like Lightroom at all.

Capture One supports KP DNG files. I use it. Support was added in 10.1 or so.

rawr · 08-21-2017, 02:34 AM

DxO Optics Pro K-P RAW support is fully implemented as of v11.4.2.
Plus there are now correction modules available for 95 lenses.
http://www.dxo.com/us/photography/photo-software/dxo-opticspro/supported-cameras

Hopefully this also means DxOMark test scores for the K-P will be available soon.

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06-27-2017, 09:18 AM	#16
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock I don't understand. I import the DNG, edit it, and export a JPEG. How much more support do you need? From dng import to jpg export, what does your software do? DXO only releases a camera if lenses have been measured against that specific camera, such that correction modules are available. A lot of people use the dxo modules as plugins into Adobe software.

06-27-2017, 04:19 PM	#17
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by UlrichSchiegg From dng import to jpg export, what does your software do? That must be the difference. I manually edit every parameter. No pre-sets, ever.

06-28-2017, 05:16 AM	#18
talgarik Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Italy Posts: 72 Original Poster	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock That must be the difference. I manually edit every parameter. No pre-sets, ever. The support UlrichSchiegg is talking about has nothing to do with common pre-sets, DXO is not for "presets guys" DXO offers a unique - as far as I know - feature to adjust technical issues of every camera + lens combination supported by the software. What is the point of editing manually CA or doing even more elaborated technical corrections? a lab tested correction for every lens+camera combination is much faster and reliable than what you can achieve manually in this regard, not to mention the even more unique features of technical corrections provided by DXO. Of course such an extended technical support is the reason why DXO is usually slower than other RAW processing softwares in providing support for new cameras.

06-28-2017, 06:03 AM - 2 Likes	#19
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	I guess that is where we differ. I don't necessarily want to correct everything. For me at least, part of the charm of photography is the character with which each lens renders a scene. Editing raw images is about evoking the vision and feel of the moment of capture, not satisfying some technocrat's idea of what is correct. Each to their own

06-28-2017, 06:15 AM	#20
talgarik Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Italy Posts: 72 Original Poster	You won't believe it, Sandy Hancock, but I agree with you. DXO's corrections are not compulsory, it has a quick feature allowing you to see the result of its corrections and comparing it with the uncorrected image, you can keep them, you can ignore them: your choice

06-28-2017, 06:55 AM	#21
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	Well, it is not just about lens correction like vignette etc. see below. Some raw converters like DXO and others link the lens to the camera, others do not it, like lightroom. In reviews / tests the raw converters which link the lens to the camera often achieve better results mainly in sharpness, color and noise reduction at high ISO. Negative consequence is, that raw processing time and the duration until modules are available, take longer. FAQ ? DxO OpticsPro automatic corrections \| www.dxo.com "Why do DxO Optics Modules correspondent to a camera/lens combination instead of just to a lens? As you can see from DxOMark measurements, a lens’s performance can vary greatly depending on the camera it’s mounted on, so correcting optical defects requires taking into account the specificities of each camera. For example, the sharpness correction applied by an Optics Module is influenced by the sensor resolution, the presence or absence of a low-pass filter, the sensor’s noise characteristics, etc. It must also compensate for any possible corrections embedded in the camera, which is particularly true of JPEG files, for which corrections are often irreversibly applied."

06-28-2017, 07:34 AM - 1 Like	#22
ajack Forum Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Maine Posts: 95	Is there any reason not to use the DNG format? That’s what I have my K-1 set to. As far as I know there isn’t any difference in size or performance with DNG, and it’s practically universally supported. With camera-specific RAW formats I would worry about losing access to the files in 10 or 20 years (especially with Pentax being such a niche player).

06-30-2017, 12:34 PM	#23
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	DXO corrected release date to 12th July, for those who have the patience to wait, which I happily have :-)

06-30-2017, 09:58 PM	#24
talgarik Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Italy Posts: 72 Original Poster	It is not a matter of patience, for ages the supported cameras list has reported June 2017 as the time for the KP support, paying customers deserve respect. At least the updated info should be reported on their website. What is your source? thanks

07-01-2017, 01:07 AM	#25
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	Originally posted by talgarik [...] What is your source? thanks Did ask dxo

07-12-2017, 11:51 AM	#26
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	Can be downloaded.

07-15-2017, 11:01 AM	#27
seagas Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: SWFL most of the year other wise NEWI Photos: Albums Posts: 85	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Huh? I used Lightroom with my KP (RAW always!) every day on my recent Italian holiday. No issues at all. A total delight actually. Some results HERE Those some really nice shots! I was an idiot when I was there and shot everything in JPEG

07-15-2017, 12:24 PM	#28
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	Just curious, what does Rawtherapee require as far as disk space and hardware?

07-31-2017, 02:07 PM	#29
apete Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 249	Originally posted by talgarik Yesterday I finally got my KP, today I have used it for the first time and now I'd like to work on the files, I have DXO and After Shot, both of them don't support KP's RAW files - at least DXO's website has a time line saying modules will be available in June, so it seems they are working on it. Waiting for DXO, any other options? how are you processing these files? PS: I see that LR supports the KP but I have tried it in the past and I don't like Lightroom at all. Capture One supports KP DNG files. I use it. Support was added in 10.1 or so.

08-21-2017, 02:34 AM	#30
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	DxO Optics Pro K-P RAW support is fully implemented as of v11.4.2. Plus there are now correction modules available for 95 lenses. http://www.dxo.com/us/photography/photo-software/dxo-opticspro/supported-cameras Hopefully this also means DxOMark test scores for the K-P will be available soon.