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05-18-2019, 03:59 AM   #1
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K-30 to KP

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I've upgradedfrom K-30 to KP, due to the former having focusing issues - leading to about50% of the shots out of focus- I did not feel repairing such a old model wouldbe worth my while. I did not want to change systems so, with 'Pentax faith'upgraded. I understood the ergonomics are very different prior to purchasing.

I hadbeen able to take over 20K shots with the K-30 without difficulty in the ergonomicsense is with small prime lenses. With the KP, ever with small lens I finddespite using various grip sizes my hands cramp after a few minutes.

I haveread people are able to adapt, accommodate and get used the different formfactor.

Myquestions is, is it just a case of getting used to or did it require adifferent grip/ technique? How long did it take?

Thecamera is still new out the box and I am considering sending it back in favourof one of the newer mirrorless options.

Thanksfor your advice, guidance and help. I have always found this forum and itsmembers to really help

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Couple of weeks
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Couple of weeks
Same as for almost any new camera.
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Just a few sessions where you use it quite a bit.

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Handling is slightly different, I got used to it a few days. Ater one year of use I am saying that the ergonomics of KP is simply great. I would miss the new features ...
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Hello

If you do not manage to get used to the KP ergonomics and before considering going mirrorless why not send it back and get a K70?
It should resolve your grip problem and it’s not so different (in modern functions and high iso) from the KP. Also should be cheaper too.

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Hi thanks guys for responses. Re K70 I considered it what replied me was AF and low light performance related to photographing kids. Are my assumptions correct? But you are spot on it may be an alternative here....
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Can't imagine the K-70 would perform worse than a properly working K-30. I would still give the KP more time. Buying a mirrorless is no guarantee you will like it better. There will be even greater ergo differences between K-30 and mirrorless than between any two Pentax. Good luck.
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My thoughts exactly Barondla. I think so far consensus is to persevere with KP....
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QuoteOriginally posted by ubjy Quote
Hi all

I've upgradedfrom K-30 to KP, due to the former having focusing issues - leading to about50% of the shots out of focus- I did not feel repairing such a old model wouldbe worth my while. I did not want to change systems so, with 'Pentax faith'upgraded. I understood the ergonomics are very different prior to purchasing.

I hadbeen able to take over 20K shots with the K-30 without difficulty in the ergonomicsense is with small prime lenses. With the KP, ever with small lens I finddespite using various grip sizes my hands cramp after a few minutes.

I haveread people are able to adapt, accommodate and get used the different formfactor.

Myquestions is, is it just a case of getting used to or did it require adifferent grip/ technique? How long did it take?

Thecamera is still new out the box and I am considering sending it back in favourof one of the newer mirrorless options.

Thanksfor your advice, guidance and help. I have always found this forum and itsmembers to really help
I would persevere with KP as well (I have one, bought in March, and I am getting used to small grip now).
There is also the D-BG7 grip that is an alternative

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QuoteOriginally posted by ubjy Quote
Hi thanks guys for responses. Re K70 I considered it what replied me was AF and low light performance related to photographing kids. Are my assumptions correct? But you are spot on it may be an alternative here....
AF is what kept me away from K70, more than low light perf ; in any case K70 >> K30 on many aspects.
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My thoughts exactly Barondla. I think so far consensus is to persevere with KP....
Absolutely. It is likely you simply got used to gripping in a certain way, which is really not the best way anyhow. The best way for better stability with any model is to have most of the support from the left hand placed from underneath, with some fingers set to manipulate the lens, with the right hand mostly having the job of operating the controls, while only lightly gripping the camera.

Many of us spent years in bygone times shooting with compact 35mm manual-focus bodies having little or no grip

If you need more holding area, even more than your K30, go for the optional battery grip. It is definitely better for balance with larger, heavier lenses, especially when handling the camera other than when shooting. It also provides duplicate controls for extensive vertical shooting, and much, much longer battery life.
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I added a Peak Design clutch and used the larger grip when transitioning from the K-5II to the KP. It helped a lot especially when shooting with HD DA Limited’s. Clutch Camera Hand Strap | Peak Design Official Site
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I would persevere with KP as well (I have one, bought in March, and I am getting used to small grip now).
There is also the D-BG7 grip that is an alternative

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AF is what kept me away from K70, more than low light perf ; in any case K70 >> K30 on many aspects.
I have both and see no difference whatsoever regarding autofocus and picture quality. Not much difference either in low light shooting.

Perhaps if I shot JPEG I'd see more of a difference but I never do, RAW only. I find leaving my K70 on max 3200 and the KP on 6400 is pretty darn good in general, half that if it's people focused stuff, and both can push well beyond by running my shots thru DxO.

TBH if given the choice again I might choose another K70 instead of a KP (I always shoot with two cameras for any kind of planned event). Even after three weeks of regularly using it the KP is still not comfortable to me. I habitually hit the wring back button for focus, the placement doesn't seem natural, and as I use Spider handstraps (comfortable as heck and secure BTW), I have to twist my hand oddly to hit the shutter. Controls are clustered together too tightly for my liking and I've not paid even a moments notice to the supposedly "nicer styling" so the exterior shell is of no consequence.

Yes I've used some of the higher end features of the KP like DoF bracketing for macro and it's been helpful. I like the menus on the KP more too. When on location my style of shooting involves a lot of quick shots and on-the-fly composure rather than deliberate setups so those extra KP controls often go unused, not much advantage there for me. I do occasionally use fill flash and the KP is pretty weak, much less effective than the K70 Both cameras are compact and light, both render great images, both are easy to use...
But It's the K70 I reach for first.

To be clear I'm not saying I don't like the KP. I do. When it comes to simple ergonomics the KP punches below it's weight IMO while my K70 in hand feels like an old friend compared to my smarter but a bit grating new camera buddy.

Just my 2 cents.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikesbike Quote
The best way for better stability with any model is to have most of the support from the left hand placed from underneath, with some fingers set to manipulate the lens, with the right hand mostly having the job of operating the controls, while only lightly gripping the camera.

Many of us spent years in bygone times shooting with compact 35mm manual-focus bodies having little or no grip
Right! I find the main use of the grip is to easily hold the camera between shots, down by my side, finger tips hooked under the grip to prevent slipping. Perhaps the practice of the right hand bearing all the weight is a carryover from upgrading from cell phones or P&S digital cameras, where there was little use for the left hand.
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My KP focuses at least as well as my K-30 ever did.
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