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kypfer · 01-19-2022, 04:12 PM - **9 Likes**

So there I was … thinking Bronica and Hasselblad and TLR … and it suddenly occurred to me if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder

**jumbleview** · 01-19-2022, 04:37 PM - **4 Likes**

Can you elaborate a little more: where did you put film into KP?

kypfer · 01-19-2022, 04:48 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by jumbleview

Can you elaborate a little more: where did you put film into KP?

There's a little door on the bottom

Paul the Sunman · 01-19-2022, 04:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kypfer

So there I was … thinking Bronica and Hasselblad and TLR … and it suddenly occurred to me if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder

I do this all the time with the K1 when doing street photography. The low vantage point and the added inconspicuousness make it ideal.

**termy** · 01-19-2022, 05:43 PM - **1 Like**

that simple flip screen and the super convenience it gives in many possible situations is one main reason why i still hang on to the KP.

And one big thing i lament, as to why k33 does not have that.

cowlitzJim · 01-19-2022, 05:46 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kypfer

.. if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder

This is why I am not a side-flip-screen fan. Flip-twist rather than simple tilt.. does not sound like much, but I really prefer the screen behind not beside the camera.
Now a screen hinged on top? I'd be OK with that, with subsequent twist or not, as the screen is still centered on the body for ideal TLR mimicry.

Not a Number · 01-19-2022, 05:49 PM

But then the image isn't reversed left-to-right on the KP screen as on a TLR.

**ramseybuckeye** · 01-19-2022, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by kypfer

So there I was … thinking Bronica and Hasselblad and TLR … and it suddenly occurred to me if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder

LOL.what took you so long!

**termy** · 01-19-2022, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by cowlitzJim

This is why I am not a side-flip-screen fan. Flip-twist rather than simple tilt.. does not sound like much, but I really prefer the screen behind not beside the camera.
Now a screen hinged on top? I'd be OK with that, with subsequent twist or not, as the screen is still centered on the body for ideal TLR mimicry.

Yup. Prefer KP type screen than K70.
Cuz prefer same line of sight.

**UncleVanya** · 01-19-2022, 09:25 PM

The Sony a77 / a99 screen is a nice compromise between the tilt only and sideways flip out screens.

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**BigMackCam** · 01-20-2022, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

The Sony a77 / a99 screen is a nice compromise between the tilt only and sideways flip out screens.

It is, and it works well (the few times I've used it on my A99-based Hasselblad HV) - but it's the least sturdy part of the camera by far. I'll bet there's a few broken ones out there...

kypfer · 01-20-2022, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

I do this all the time with the K1 when doing street photography. The low vantage point and the added inconspicuousness make it ideal.

Looking forward to trying it out "in the wild" … anticipating 'interesting' architectural results with ultra-wide or fisheye lenses

Originally posted by cowlitzJim

This is why I am not a side-flip-screen fan. Flip-twist rather than simple tilt.. does not sound like much, but I really prefer the screen behind not beside the camera.
Now a screen hinged on top? I'd be OK with that, with subsequent twist or not, as the screen is still centered on the body for ideal TLR mimicry.

Exactly this

I'd tried the screen on the K-70 in various positions … it's very handy for low-level macro and high-elevation astro (and probably the ubiquitous 'selfie'), but it had never inspired me as a compositional tool … more concepts to play with

Originally posted by Not a Number

But then the image isn't reversed left-to-right on the KP screen as on a TLR.

No, but we're waiting for the firmware update

Originally posted by ramseybuckeye

LOL.what took you so long!

Old age !?!

Originally posted by termy

Yup. Prefer KP type screen than K70.
Cuz prefer same line of sight.

Exactly, dunno why I never thought of it before

Fogel70 · 01-20-2022, 02:02 AM

I do not think I ever buy another ILC without a tiltable screen.
KP with DA10-17 has become a favorite combination of mine, because it is so easy to be creative with perspective/composition using live view and tilt screen.

But IMO many shots benefit from being shot from a lower level (waist level) and it is easier to keep track of the surroundings when not looking through a eye level viewfinder.

**BigMackCam** · 01-20-2022, 02:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Fogel70

I do not think I ever buy another ILC without a tiltable screen.

Whereas I'll stick, wherever possible, to cameras with as few flippy, dangly bits as possible - though I do understand the attraction and practicality of articulating screens for some. The K-1 / K-1II implementation is the most robust implementation I've seen... I'd be quite happy to have something like that on my cameras - but I'd rather save a few mm in thickness and grammes in weight...

Fogel70 · 01-20-2022, 02:56 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Whereas I'll stick, wherever possible, to cameras with as few flippy, dangly bits as possible - though I do understand the attraction and practicality of articulating screens for some. The K-1 / K-1II implementation is the most robust implementation I've seen... I'd be quite happy to have something like that on my cameras - but I'd rather save a few mm in thickness and grammes in weight...

The implementation of the tilt screen on KP is pretty sturdy too. It feels more sturdy than the tilt screens on my Sony E-mount cameras (but I never had any issues with the screens on them either).

Simple tilt screens are probably less prone to failure than fully articulated screens that are more exposed outside the camera and may have a higher risk of getting tangled up in something.
And also, the easier it is to flip it back onto the camera the less risk of damage while doing it.

I believe KP is the smallest and lightest Pentax DSLR I have owned (but it is partly because of the smaller battery).

01-19-2022, 04:12 PM - 9 Likes	#1
kypfer Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Jersey C.I. Posts: 3,600	KP Epiphany! So there I was … thinking Bronica and Hasselblad and TLR … and it suddenly occurred to me if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder

01-20-2022, 01:32 AM	#12
kypfer Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Jersey C.I. Posts: 3,600 Original Poster	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman I do this all the time with the K1 when doing street photography. The low vantage point and the added inconspicuousness make it ideal. Looking forward to trying it out "in the wild" … anticipating 'interesting' architectural results with ultra-wide or fisheye lenses Originally posted by cowlitzJim This is why I am not a side-flip-screen fan. Flip-twist rather than simple tilt.. does not sound like much, but I really prefer the screen behind not beside the camera. Now a screen hinged on top? I'd be OK with that, with subsequent twist or not, as the screen is still centered on the body for ideal TLR mimicry. Exactly this I'd tried the screen on the K-70 in various positions … it's very handy for low-level macro and high-elevation astro (and probably the ubiquitous 'selfie'), but it had never inspired me as a compositional tool … more concepts to play with Originally posted by Not a Number But then the image isn't reversed left-to-right on the KP screen as on a TLR. No, but we're waiting for the firmware update Originally posted by ramseybuckeye LOL.what took you so long! Old age !?! Originally posted by termy Yup. Prefer KP type screen than K70. Cuz prefer same line of sight. Exactly, dunno why I never thought of it before Last edited by kypfer; 01-20-2022 at 01:39 AM.

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01-19-2022, 04:37 PM - 4 Likes	#2
jumbleview Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 1,070	Can you elaborate a little more: where did you put film into KP?

01-19-2022, 04:48 PM - 2 Likes	#3
kypfer Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Jersey C.I. Posts: 3,600 Original Poster	Originally posted by jumbleview Can you elaborate a little more: where did you put film into KP? There's a little door on the bottom

01-19-2022, 04:55 PM - 1 Like	#4
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,847	Originally posted by kypfer So there I was … thinking Bronica and Hasselblad and TLR … and it suddenly occurred to me if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder I do this all the time with the K1 when doing street photography. The low vantage point and the added inconspicuousness make it ideal.

01-19-2022, 05:43 PM - 1 Like	#5
termy Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 1,155	that simple flip screen and the super convenience it gives in many possible situations is one main reason why i still hang on to the KP. And one big thing i lament, as to why k33 does not have that.

01-19-2022, 05:46 PM - 1 Like	#6
cowlitzJim Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Cowlitz county, Washington state USA Photos: Albums Posts: 62	Originally posted by kypfer .. if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder This is why I am not a side-flip-screen fan. Flip-twist rather than simple tilt.. does not sound like much, but I really prefer the screen behind not beside the camera. Now a screen hinged on top? I'd be OK with that, with subsequent twist or not, as the screen is still centered on the body for ideal TLR mimicry.

01-19-2022, 05:49 PM	#7
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	But then the image isn't reversed left-to-right on the KP screen as on a TLR.

01-19-2022, 05:55 PM	#8
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,296	Originally posted by kypfer So there I was … thinking Bronica and Hasselblad and TLR … and it suddenly occurred to me if I flip out the screen on my KP in LiveView I've got a waist-level large-size viewfinder LOL.what took you so long!

01-19-2022, 05:55 PM	#9
termy Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 1,155	Originally posted by cowlitzJim This is why I am not a side-flip-screen fan. Flip-twist rather than simple tilt.. does not sound like much, but I really prefer the screen behind not beside the camera. Now a screen hinged on top? I'd be OK with that, with subsequent twist or not, as the screen is still centered on the body for ideal TLR mimicry. Yup. Prefer KP type screen than K70. Cuz prefer same line of sight.

01-20-2022, 01:30 AM	#11
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,704	Originally posted by UncleVanya The Sony a77 / a99 screen is a nice compromise between the tilt only and sideways flip out screens. It is, and it works well (the few times I've used it on my A99-based Hasselblad HV) - but it's the least sturdy part of the camera by far. I'll bet there's a few broken ones out there...

01-20-2022, 02:02 AM	#13
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	I do not think I ever buy another ILC without a tiltable screen. KP with DA10-17 has become a favorite combination of mine, because it is so easy to be creative with perspective/composition using live view and tilt screen. But IMO many shots benefit from being shot from a lower level (waist level) and it is easier to keep track of the surroundings when not looking through a eye level viewfinder.

01-20-2022, 02:19 AM - 1 Like	#14
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,704	Originally posted by Fogel70 I do not think I ever buy another ILC without a tiltable screen. Whereas I'll stick, wherever possible, to cameras with as few flippy, dangly bits as possible - though I do understand the attraction and practicality of articulating screens for some. The K-1 / K-1II implementation is the most robust implementation I've seen... I'd be quite happy to have something like that on my cameras - but I'd rather save a few mm in thickness and grammes in weight...

01-20-2022, 02:56 AM - 1 Like	#15
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by BigMackCam Whereas I'll stick, wherever possible, to cameras with as few flippy, dangly bits as possible - though I do understand the attraction and practicality of articulating screens for some. The K-1 / K-1II implementation is the most robust implementation I've seen... I'd be quite happy to have something like that on my cameras - but I'd rather save a few mm in thickness and grammes in weight... The implementation of the tilt screen on KP is pretty sturdy too. It feels more sturdy than the tilt screens on my Sony E-mount cameras (but I never had any issues with the screens on them either). Simple tilt screens are probably less prone to failure than fully articulated screens that are more exposed outside the camera and may have a higher risk of getting tangled up in something. And also, the easier it is to flip it back onto the camera the less risk of damage while doing it. I believe KP is the smallest and lightest Pentax DSLR I have owned (but it is partly because of the smaller battery).

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