Does the K3III have clean HDMI out?

Canid · 04-25-2021, 05:51 AM

I'm primarily a photo shooter, but I occasionally record concerts where I need over an hour recording time without breaks.

Does anyone know if the K3III has clean HDMI out for external recording? I assume the time limits for in camera recording are still 25 or 30 minutes...

**ProfessorBuzz** · 04-25-2021, 06:20 AM

What do you mean by "clean HDMI" ? You'll probably need to be a lot more specific.

**RGlasel** · 04-25-2021, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Canid

Does anyone know if the K3III has clean HDMI out for external recording? I assume the time limits for in camera recording are still 25 or 30 minutes...

Originally posted by ProfessorBuzz

What do you mean by "clean HDMI" ?

I assume that "clean" is full resolution, not the resolution of the rear LCD, and in an uncompressed format unlike the video files stored on the memory card. AFAIK, the time limit is related to a 4GB limit on video files mandated by the EU for copyright protection or something silly like that. Maybe so you can't point your camera at a screen and make unauthorized copies of movies?

**boriscleto** · 04-25-2021, 08:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RGlasel

I assume that "clean" is full resolution, not the resolution of the rear LCD, and in an uncompressed format unlike the video files stored on the memory card. AFAIK, the time limit is related to a 4GB limit on video files mandated by the EU for copyright protection or something silly like that. Maybe so you can't point your camera at a screen and make unauthorized copies of movies?

The 4GB limit was because of the file size limit on FAT32. That's why cameras use exFAT now...The time limit is because of tax regulations in the EU. Video cameras had a 5-12% tax, the time limit kept DSLRs from being considered video cameras.

gatorguy · 04-25-2021, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

The 4GB limit was because of the file size limit on FAT32. That's why cameras use exFAT now...The time limit is because of tax regulations in the EU. Video cameras had a 5-12% tax, the time limit kept DSLRs from being considered video cameras.

Seriously? I suppose we should not be surprised if the blame it on the taxman.

Canid · 04-25-2021, 03:41 PM

I know the history of the file size limit (I believe the relevant tax regulation is no longer in place) and I understand the limits are probably still in place for in camera recording.

Clean HDMI out means being able to remove all overlays (battery indicator, numerals, digits, levels, etc) from the hdmi output when the camera is NOT recording, so one can record on an external device (like an Atomos recorder). It would not necessarily be at the full resolution & framerate the camera is capable of recording internally.

Bromberger · 04-25-2021, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by ProfessorBuzz

What do you mean by "clean HDMI" ? You'll probably need to be a lot more specific.

Clean HDMI means just the video image without any graphical overlays like interface, settings, battery symbol etc

edit: Canid was a little bit quicker :-D

Last edited by Bromberger; 04-26-2021 at 03:02 AM.

madbrain · 04-25-2021, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Canid

I know the history of the file size limit (I believe the relevant tax regulation is no longer in place) and I understand the limits are probably still in place for in camera recording.

Clean HDMI out means being able to remove all overlays (battery indicator, numerals, digits, levels, etc) from the hdmi output when the camera is NOT recording, so one can record on an external device (like an Atomos recorder). It would not necessarily be at the full resolution & framerate the camera is capable of recording internally.

It's really sad the 4GB limit is still in place on the K3 III. exFAT file system allows for 128 PB file size, practically unlimited with SDXC cards which are limited to 2TB. Pentax cameras have supported SDXC cards for years, probably over a decade.

Other camera manufacturers have no such limit. My Lumix GX85 can record files for hours that are hundreds of GB (on an AC adapter, not battery) on my 512GB SD card. 4K/30 at 100 Mbps. So can my Note 20 Ultra - 8K/30 at 75 Mbps or 4K/60 at 50 Mbps, no file size or time limit on its 512GB microSD card.
Somehow, they have figured out how to make region-specific models or firmware updates. Or just agreed to pay the tax for the EU market. So could Pentax. On a $2K camera, it really stings for the camera to be castrated that way.

repaap · 04-27-2021, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by Canid

I know the history of the file size limit (I believe the relevant tax regulation is no longer in place) and I understand the limits are probably still in place for in camera recording.

Clean HDMI out means being able to remove all overlays (battery indicator, numerals, digits, levels, etc) from the hdmi output when the camera is NOT recording, so one can record on an external device (like an Atomos recorder). It would not necessarily be at the full resolution & framerate the camera is capable of recording internally.

Well K-1 can give to you this when it is NOT recording(not using AF). And based on what we have seen from couple videos, with K-3III you can have AF with touch with out any 'confirm' box on the screen. So this is actually looking better and better as we speak.

Canid · 04-27-2021, 06:39 AM

So, the K1 has clean HDMI out... but does the K3iii, that's the question.

**rlmartindale** · 04-29-2021, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by Canid

So, the K1 has clean HDMI out... but does the K3iii, that's the question.

NO....the K3III can get mostly clean HDMI but the audio meters stay there on the sides, along with a battery indicator no matter what the Info settings is.

repaap · 04-29-2021, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by rlmartindale

NO....the K3III can get mostly clean HDMI but the audio meters stay there on the sides, along with a battery indicator no matter what the Info settings is.

Have you gone through menu and switch off also LV showings. This is quite different from K-1. Is it when you hit the rec, or before anything happens?

**jerryleejr** · 04-29-2021, 05:44 AM

I’ve never used HDMI on any of my cameras, might check it out…

JJ

Canid · 04-29-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by rlmartindale

NO....the K3III can get mostly clean HDMI but the audio meters stay there on the sides, along with a battery indicator no matter what the Info settings is.

That's disappointing. Thank you for the answer.

**mlt** · 04-29-2021, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by jerryleejr

I’ve never used HDMI on any of my cameras, might check it out…

JJ

It’s not just for video. I use a small (7 inch) battery operated HDMI monitor when doing macro shots on a focus rail on both my K1 and K3.

04-25-2021, 05:51 AM	#1
Canid Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 98	Does the K3III have clean HDMI out? I'm primarily a photo shooter, but I occasionally record concerts where I need over an hour recording time without breaks. Does anyone know if the K3III has clean HDMI out for external recording? I assume the time limits for in camera recording are still 25 or 30 minutes...

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Should I go for K1ii or K3iii I really need some help	mactrash	Pentax DSLR Discussion	36	04-19-2021 06:15 PM
Stephen Obermeier / Petapixel on the K3iii	cartesio	Pentax K-3 III	3	04-11-2021 11:19 AM
Matt Bishop - Pentax K3III review (on field experience)	Davep	Pentax K-3 III	7	03-31-2021 07:24 PM
Live view (HDMI out) ISO to bypass Video ISO limitations?	someasiancameraguy	Pentax K-1 & K-1 II	7	10-25-2020 08:48 AM
Does K7 support HDMI output while recording video?	johnmflores	Video Recording and Processing	2	01-22-2010 08:04 PM

04-25-2021, 06:20 AM	#2
ProfessorBuzz Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 1,903	What do you mean by "clean HDMI" ? You'll probably need to be a lot more specific.

04-25-2021, 08:29 AM	#3
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,229	Originally posted by Canid Does anyone know if the K3III has clean HDMI out for external recording? I assume the time limits for in camera recording are still 25 or 30 minutes... Originally posted by ProfessorBuzz What do you mean by "clean HDMI" ? I assume that "clean" is full resolution, not the resolution of the rear LCD, and in an uncompressed format unlike the video files stored on the memory card. AFAIK, the time limit is related to a 4GB limit on video files mandated by the EU for copyright protection or something silly like that. Maybe so you can't point your camera at a screen and make unauthorized copies of movies?

04-25-2021, 08:58 AM - 1 Like	#4
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by RGlasel I assume that "clean" is full resolution, not the resolution of the rear LCD, and in an uncompressed format unlike the video files stored on the memory card. AFAIK, the time limit is related to a 4GB limit on video files mandated by the EU for copyright protection or something silly like that. Maybe so you can't point your camera at a screen and make unauthorized copies of movies? The 4GB limit was because of the file size limit on FAT32. That's why cameras use exFAT now...The time limit is because of tax regulations in the EU. Video cameras had a 5-12% tax, the time limit kept DSLRs from being considered video cameras.

04-25-2021, 09:22 AM	#5
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,093	Originally posted by boriscleto The 4GB limit was because of the file size limit on FAT32. That's why cameras use exFAT now...The time limit is because of tax regulations in the EU. Video cameras had a 5-12% tax, the time limit kept DSLRs from being considered video cameras. Seriously? I suppose we should not be surprised if the blame it on the taxman.

04-25-2021, 03:41 PM	#6
Canid Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 98 Original Poster	I know the history of the file size limit (I believe the relevant tax regulation is no longer in place) and I understand the limits are probably still in place for in camera recording. Clean HDMI out means being able to remove all overlays (battery indicator, numerals, digits, levels, etc) from the hdmi output when the camera is NOT recording, so one can record on an external device (like an Atomos recorder). It would not necessarily be at the full resolution & framerate the camera is capable of recording internally.

04-25-2021, 03:52 PM	#7
Bromberger Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 186	Originally posted by ProfessorBuzz What do you mean by "clean HDMI" ? You'll probably need to be a lot more specific. Clean HDMI means just the video image without any graphical overlays like interface, settings, battery symbol etc edit: Canid was a little bit quicker :-D Last edited by Bromberger; 04-26-2021 at 03:02 AM.

04-25-2021, 04:39 PM	#8
madbrain Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,341	Originally posted by Canid I know the history of the file size limit (I believe the relevant tax regulation is no longer in place) and I understand the limits are probably still in place for in camera recording. Clean HDMI out means being able to remove all overlays (battery indicator, numerals, digits, levels, etc) from the hdmi output when the camera is NOT recording, so one can record on an external device (like an Atomos recorder). It would not necessarily be at the full resolution & framerate the camera is capable of recording internally. It's really sad the 4GB limit is still in place on the K3 III. exFAT file system allows for 128 PB file size, practically unlimited with SDXC cards which are limited to 2TB. Pentax cameras have supported SDXC cards for years, probably over a decade. Other camera manufacturers have no such limit. My Lumix GX85 can record files for hours that are hundreds of GB (on an AC adapter, not battery) on my 512GB SD card. 4K/30 at 100 Mbps. So can my Note 20 Ultra - 8K/30 at 75 Mbps or 4K/60 at 50 Mbps, no file size or time limit on its 512GB microSD card. Somehow, they have figured out how to make region-specific models or firmware updates. Or just agreed to pay the tax for the EU market. So could Pentax. On a $2K camera, it really stings for the camera to be castrated that way.

04-27-2021, 02:58 AM	#9
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Canid I know the history of the file size limit (I believe the relevant tax regulation is no longer in place) and I understand the limits are probably still in place for in camera recording. Clean HDMI out means being able to remove all overlays (battery indicator, numerals, digits, levels, etc) from the hdmi output when the camera is NOT recording, so one can record on an external device (like an Atomos recorder). It would not necessarily be at the full resolution & framerate the camera is capable of recording internally. Well K-1 can give to you this when it is NOT recording(not using AF). And based on what we have seen from couple videos, with K-3III you can have AF with touch with out any 'confirm' box on the screen. So this is actually looking better and better as we speak.

04-27-2021, 06:39 AM	#10
Canid Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 98 Original Poster	So, the K1 has clean HDMI out... but does the K3iii, that's the question.

04-29-2021, 02:37 AM	#11
rlmartindale Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 176	Originally posted by Canid So, the K1 has clean HDMI out... but does the K3iii, that's the question. NO....the K3III can get mostly clean HDMI but the audio meters stay there on the sides, along with a battery indicator no matter what the Info settings is.

04-29-2021, 04:26 AM	#12
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by rlmartindale NO....the K3III can get mostly clean HDMI but the audio meters stay there on the sides, along with a battery indicator no matter what the Info settings is. Have you gone through menu and switch off also LV showings. This is quite different from K-1. Is it when you hit the rec, or before anything happens?

04-29-2021, 05:44 AM	#13
jerryleejr Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: TN Posts: 774	I’ve never used HDMI on any of my cameras, might check it out… JJ

04-29-2021, 01:47 PM	#14
Canid Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 98 Original Poster	Originally posted by rlmartindale NO....the K3III can get mostly clean HDMI but the audio meters stay there on the sides, along with a battery indicator no matter what the Info settings is. That's disappointing. Thank you for the answer.

04-29-2021, 04:33 PM	#15
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Originally posted by jerryleejr I’ve never used HDMI on any of my cameras, might check it out… JJ It’s not just for video. I use a small (7 inch) battery operated HDMI monitor when doing macro shots on a focus rail on both my K1 and K3.