K3-3 wasted space around rear LCD monitor - why?

Spock · 06-19-2021, 11:07 PM

I'm surprised I didn't notice it at first - but when I did, I thought I had accidentally activated crop mode. What is with the wasted space around the borders of the rear LCD? My old K3 uses up almost all the space taken up by the monitor on the back of the camera.

Apologies if this has been pointed out before.

Ishpuini · 06-20-2021, 03:02 AM - **1 Like**

Lots of possibilities... Might depend on what components are available on the market, the cost of those relative to the intended selling price, the available internal space in the camera (weather sealing), its being a touch screen, or simply a design choice.

**i_trax** · 06-20-2021, 04:08 AM - **1 Like**

yes , bizarre indeed

Spock · 06-20-2021, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by i_trax

yes , bizarre indeed

I really thought I had inadvertently selected crop mode - and was leafing through the manual to see how to disable it!

**Larrymc** · 06-20-2021, 05:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Spock

I really thought I had inadvertently selected crop mode - and was leafing through the manual to see how to disable it!

Now, why exactly would there be a crop mode on play back with the rear screen? The black border around the rear screen was discussed over a year ago in the News and Rumors section of the forum. My vote for the reason is the touch capability.

Kunzite · 06-20-2021, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Now, why exactly would there be a crop mode on play back with the rear screen? The black border around the rear screen was discussed over a year ago in the News and Rumors section of the forum. My vote for the reason is the touch capability.

Yeah, it seems to be the same unit as on the GRiii - just turned 180o

**Larrymc** · 06-20-2021, 05:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

Yeah, it seems to be the same unit as on the GRiii - just turned 180o

If that was a fact then the images would be inverted!!!!

Spock · 06-20-2021, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Now, why exactly would there be a crop mode on play back with the rear screen?

I was panicking and not thinking straight!

Kunzite · 06-20-2021, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

If that was a fact then the images would be inverted!!!!

No, you're wrong - the images are finally in the correct orientation. You see, the lens is projecting an inverted image - which was shown inverted until now (because they didn't think of turning the LCD upside down!).
Remember how you'd develop film at some lab, and all your images were upside down? How when you'd print an image, it would always exit the printer heads (or sky, for a landscape) down? No more of that!

P.S. It's obvious but I'll still say it: they inverted the SD slots for the same reason.

Not a Number · 06-20-2021, 06:56 AM

1 - there are electrical traces coming off the edges of the touch screen pad and the LCD
2 - the layers of glass need to be bonded together somewhere that doesn't cover the viewing/touch area.

These areas are often covered with a physical frame or mask or just covered with black or some other color.

Spock · 06-20-2021, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

1 - there are electrical traces coming off the edges of the touch screen pad and the LCD
2 - the layers of glass need to be bonded together somewhere that doesn't cover the viewing/touch area.

These areas are often covered with a physical frame or mask or just covered with black or some other color.

How do phones touch screens work then? My phone has no border at all.

Kunzite · 06-20-2021, 07:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Spock

How do phones touch screens work then? My phone has no border at all.

I guess Ricoh Imaging is using a less advanced (in this regard) touch screen...
Costs might be higher when you don't order millions of units.

**mlt** · 06-20-2021, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Spock

I'm surprised I didn't notice it at first - but when I did, I thought I had accidentally activated crop mode. What is with the wasted space around the borders of the rear LCD? My old K3 uses up almost all the space taken up by the monitor on the back of the camera.

Apologies if this has been pointed out before.

Similar (to the K3iii) amount of black border spacing around the K1 lcd, so there should be an explainable reason.

**Larrymc** · 06-20-2021, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

No, you're wrong - the images are finally in the correct orientation. You see, the lens is projecting an inverted image - which was shown inverted until now (because they didn't think of turning the LCD upside down!).
Remember how you'd develop film at some lab, and all your images were upside down? How when you'd print an image, it would always exit the printer heads (or sky, for a landscape) down? No more of that!

P.S. It's obvious but I'll still say it: they inverted the SD slots for the same reason.

Thanks, nobody ever splained it to me dat way!

**Kobie** · 06-20-2021, 01:59 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Spock

How do phones touch screens work then? My phone has no border at all.

I highly doubt your phone has no border at all. Top and bottom, very edges or left and right there is a slight border. Some of the packaging of components will obviously be different than a DSLR screen. With that said, have you seen phone retail prices? Imagine if the screen on our cameras had the same packaging. The K-3 III would be $3000 + USD. All touch screens have a border for the digitizer. My work is 90% touchscreen and every single one no matter the manufacturer has a border.

06-19-2021, 11:07 PM	#1
Spock Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 674	K3-3 wasted space around rear LCD monitor - why? I'm surprised I didn't notice it at first - but when I did, I thought I had accidentally activated crop mode. What is with the wasted space around the borders of the rear LCD? My old K3 uses up almost all the space taken up by the monitor on the back of the camera. Apologies if this has been pointed out before.

06-20-2021, 01:59 PM - 1 Like	#15
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by Spock How do phones touch screens work then? My phone has no border at all. I highly doubt your phone has no border at all. Top and bottom, very edges or left and right there is a slight border. Some of the packaging of components will obviously be different than a DSLR screen. With that said, have you seen phone retail prices? Imagine if the screen on our cameras had the same packaging. The K-3 III would be $3000 + USD. All touch screens have a border for the digitizer. My work is 90% touchscreen and every single one no matter the manufacturer has a border. Last edited by Kobie; 06-20-2021 at 10:10 PM.

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06-20-2021, 03:02 AM - 1 Like	#2
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Lots of possibilities... Might depend on what components are available on the market, the cost of those relative to the intended selling price, the available internal space in the camera (weather sealing), its being a touch screen, or simply a design choice.

06-20-2021, 04:08 AM - 1 Like	#3
i_trax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Perth Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,621	yes , bizarre indeed

06-20-2021, 04:38 AM	#4
Spock Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 674 Original Poster	Originally posted by i_trax yes , bizarre indeed I really thought I had inadvertently selected crop mode - and was leafing through the manual to see how to disable it!

06-20-2021, 05:13 AM - 1 Like	#5
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Spock I really thought I had inadvertently selected crop mode - and was leafing through the manual to see how to disable it! Now, why exactly would there be a crop mode on play back with the rear screen? The black border around the rear screen was discussed over a year ago in the News and Rumors section of the forum. My vote for the reason is the touch capability.

06-20-2021, 05:29 AM	#6
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Larrymc Now, why exactly would there be a crop mode on play back with the rear screen? The black border around the rear screen was discussed over a year ago in the News and Rumors section of the forum. My vote for the reason is the touch capability. Yeah, it seems to be the same unit as on the GRiii - just turned 180o

06-20-2021, 05:50 AM - 1 Like	#7
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Kunzite Yeah, it seems to be the same unit as on the GRiii - just turned 180o If that was a fact then the images would be inverted!!!!

06-20-2021, 05:57 AM	#8
Spock Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 674 Original Poster	Originally posted by Larrymc Now, why exactly would there be a crop mode on play back with the rear screen? I was panicking and not thinking straight!

06-20-2021, 06:45 AM	#9
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Larrymc If that was a fact then the images would be inverted!!!! No, you're wrong - the images are finally in the correct orientation. You see, the lens is projecting an inverted image - which was shown inverted until now (because they didn't think of turning the LCD upside down!). Remember how you'd develop film at some lab, and all your images were upside down? How when you'd print an image, it would always exit the printer heads (or sky, for a landscape) down? No more of that! P.S. It's obvious but I'll still say it: they inverted the SD slots for the same reason.

06-20-2021, 06:56 AM	#10
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	1 - there are electrical traces coming off the edges of the touch screen pad and the LCD 2 - the layers of glass need to be bonded together somewhere that doesn't cover the viewing/touch area. These areas are often covered with a physical frame or mask or just covered with black or some other color.

06-20-2021, 07:02 AM	#11
Spock Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 674 Original Poster	Originally posted by Not a Number 1 - there are electrical traces coming off the edges of the touch screen pad and the LCD 2 - the layers of glass need to be bonded together somewhere that doesn't cover the viewing/touch area. These areas are often covered with a physical frame or mask or just covered with black or some other color. How do phones touch screens work then? My phone has no border at all.

06-20-2021, 07:30 AM - 1 Like	#12
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Spock How do phones touch screens work then? My phone has no border at all. I guess Ricoh Imaging is using a less advanced (in this regard) touch screen... Costs might be higher when you don't order millions of units.

06-20-2021, 09:50 AM	#13
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Originally posted by Spock I'm surprised I didn't notice it at first - but when I did, I thought I had accidentally activated crop mode. What is with the wasted space around the borders of the rear LCD? My old K3 uses up almost all the space taken up by the monitor on the back of the camera. Apologies if this has been pointed out before. Similar (to the K3iii) amount of black border spacing around the K1 lcd, so there should be an explainable reason.

06-20-2021, 10:09 AM	#14
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Kunzite No, you're wrong - the images are finally in the correct orientation. You see, the lens is projecting an inverted image - which was shown inverted until now (because they didn't think of turning the LCD upside down!). Remember how you'd develop film at some lab, and all your images were upside down? How when you'd print an image, it would always exit the printer heads (or sky, for a landscape) down? No more of that! P.S. It's obvious but I'll still say it: they inverted the SD slots for the same reason. Thanks, nobody ever splained it to me dat way!