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**Kobie** · 07-23-2021, 04:03 AM - **1 Like**

I did a thing... Let's call it a test.
Previous to upgrading to 1.10 I tried to focus on my budgie in her cage using both full auto AF.C and zone AF.C with subject recognition on. Lens was the Sigma 17-70 F/2.8-4 DC Macro HSM at close to minimal focus distance to the cage bars. On version. 1.02, it would focus on the bars no matter how I composed and what mode I used. On 1.10, it would catch the bars from time to time, but you could tell it was trying to focus through them to the budgie. As long as I shot between the bars and the budgie's face was clear between the bars, it actually did focus on her and most times it did focus on either her head (beak, top of the head) or her eye. I did have to focus a few times to get the AF point to shoot between the bars (3-4 times before it would shoot through the bars) so something has changed with algorithm. At least from how the system worked before 1.10. Keep in mind that this wasn't an in the field multiple scenario test. But back to back between firmwares it is a noticeable change. I also had to re-do lens focus fine adjustment on a couple of my lenses so far.

**Larrymc** · 07-23-2021, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Kobie

I did a thing... Let's call it a test.
Previous to upgrading to 1.10 I tried to focus on my budgie in her cage using both full auto AF.C and zone AF.C with subject recognition on. Lens was the Sigma 17-70 F/2.8-4 DC Macro HSM at close to minimal focus distance to the cage bars. On version. 1.02, it would focus on the bars no matter how I composed and what mode I used. On 1.10, it would catch the bars from time to time, but you could tell it was trying to focus through them to the budgie. As long as I shot between the bars and the budgie's face was clear between the bars, it actually did focus on her and most times it did focus on either her head (beak, top of the head) or her eye. I did have to focus a few times to get the AF point to shoot between the bars (3-4 times before it would shoot through the bars) so something has changed with algorithm. At least from how the system worked before 1.10. Keep in mind that this wasn't an in the field multiple scenario test. But back to back between firmwares it is a noticeable change. I also had to re-do lens focus fine adjustment on a couple of my lenses so far.

Just out of curiosity, which of your lenses did you have to re-do the lens fine adjustments on?

**Kobie** · 07-23-2021, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by larrymc

just out of curiosity, which of your lenses did you have to re-do the lens fine adjustments on?

55-300 plm, 18-135, da 50 1.8

**Larrymc** · 07-23-2021, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Kobie

55-300 plm, 18-135, da 50 1.8

Thanks, Since I'm a retired Pentaxian, I might just fine tune all of my lenses again. After all, its not like I don't have time to do it.

**lmd91343** · 07-23-2021, 10:09 AM

Oh such fun!

I have 17 AF lenses!

Much AF fine tuning to do.

**c.a.m** · 07-23-2021, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Kobie

I also had to re-do lens focus fine adjustment on a couple of my lenses so far.

Originally posted by Larrymc

I might just fine tune all of my lenses again.

Originally posted by lmd91343

I have 17 AF lenses!

I'm sitting on the fence about updating the firmware on my K-3 III.

I haven't experienced any problems or glitches yet with my camera in terms of operation or focusing. While the electronic shutter is enticing, I don't look forward to recalibrating the AF Fine Adjustment for my 11 AF lenses. I didn't observe any issues with AF after updating to FW 1.01, but I believe that version didn't touch autofocus or tracking.

I think I'll stand fast for now and wait to hear more reports. Thanks to all who post on their experiences.

- Craig

repaap · 07-23-2021, 11:41 PM - **1 Like**

I did update and I did go shooting with our daughter and our friends daughter looking bunnies in a cage. I did(W when there was a gap between cage bars) catch my friend daughter and it focused on eye even. It was harder to catch those rabbits. Actually than human. But focus is much better now and I think it will improve even further

vonBaloney · 07-24-2021, 01:16 PM

I notice on the KP if you turn on electronic shutter than shake reduction is disabled (in both PDAF & CDAF). So if you are using it for increased stability, you are losing SR at the same time which may turn out worse. Is that also the case on the K-3 iii?

repaap · 07-25-2021, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

I notice on the KP if you turn on electronic shutter than shake reduction is disabled (in both PDAF & CDAF). So if you are using it for increased stability, you are losing SR at the same time which may turn out worse. Is that also the case on the K-3 iii?

SR seems to be working with ES when I’m shooting with OVF and LV. Bad thing aboutOVF and ES is that you are shooting ‘blind’ when you capture things with burst. But that works too, not sure if I’ll be using it that way thou

but it is cool to take a burst when you are using OVF and you just noticed that you just took a bunch of photos while holding shutter button down…

RobG · 07-25-2021, 06:25 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kypfer

The problem with relying on a bunch of mostly amateur end-users for feedback like this is that it is difficult to make direct comparisons when any improvement is only incremental.
Very few "test" scenarios will be repeatable and even fewer end-users will have a second non-updated camera body to make the comparison, so any results are likely to be mostly subjective opinion.

I realise that it's not scientific. On the other hand, having lots of pissed off users because their very expensive camera isn't focussing to their satisfaction isn't great either. If people are happier with the result of the update on the whole, something has to have improved.

Lloyd_Christmas · 07-27-2021, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by repaap

SR seems to be working with ES when I’m shooting with OVF and LV. Bad thing aboutOVF and ES is that you are shooting ‘blind’ when you capture things with burst. But that works too, not sure if I’ll be using it that way thou

but it is cool to take a burst when you are using OVF and you just noticed that you just took a bunch of photos while holding shutter button down…

Ok now I understand better what happens when using ES and not in live view.
It can be beneficial in burst shooting?
What is the upside to leaving ES on all the time? or downside?

Sorry for the novice question. I well understand this ES is perfect for Live View but don't know if it ever should be used when not in LV...

sbc · 07-27-2021, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by c.a.m

I'm sitting on the fence about updating the firmware on my K-3 III.

I haven't experienced any problems or glitches yet with my camera in terms of operation or focusing. While the electronic shutter is enticing, I don't look forward to recalibrating the AF Fine Adjustment for my 11 AF lenses. I didn't observe any issues with AF after updating to FW 1.01, but I believe that version didn't touch autofocus or tracking.

I think I'll stand fast for now and wait to hear more reports. Thanks to all who post on their experiences.

- Craig

Ver 1.10 did help me with slot 2.

Slot 2 and SD card compatibility - PentaxForums.com

F-pix · 07-27-2021, 10:52 PM - **3 Likes**

A downside of electronic shutter is when you have fast movement during the shot:
1/2000s, f/8, ISO: 8000, K-3iii, Sigma 500mm EX DG.

house · 07-28-2021, 02:37 AM

That bird is hilarious!

repaap · 07-28-2021, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by Lloyd_Christmas

Ok now I understand better what happens when using ES and not in live view.
It can be beneficial in burst shooting?
What is the upside to leaving ES on all the time? or downside?

Sorry for the novice question. I well understand this ES is perfect for Live View but don't know if it ever should be used when not in LV...

It is beneficial, but also in panning or any movement like that might cause distortion, like in that picture of a bird above. Same rules apply in any ES shooting. But it can be very beneficial in many other situations where movement is little or none.

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07-23-2021, 04:03 AM - 1 Like	#91
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	I did a thing... Let's call it a test. Previous to upgrading to 1.10 I tried to focus on my budgie in her cage using both full auto AF.C and zone AF.C with subject recognition on. Lens was the Sigma 17-70 F/2.8-4 DC Macro HSM at close to minimal focus distance to the cage bars. On version. 1.02, it would focus on the bars no matter how I composed and what mode I used. On 1.10, it would catch the bars from time to time, but you could tell it was trying to focus through them to the budgie. As long as I shot between the bars and the budgie's face was clear between the bars, it actually did focus on her and most times it did focus on either her head (beak, top of the head) or her eye. I did have to focus a few times to get the AF point to shoot between the bars (3-4 times before it would shoot through the bars) so something has changed with algorithm. At least from how the system worked before 1.10. Keep in mind that this wasn't an in the field multiple scenario test. But back to back between firmwares it is a noticeable change. I also had to re-do lens focus fine adjustment on a couple of my lenses so far.

07-23-2021, 06:53 AM	#92
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Kobie I did a thing... Let's call it a test. Previous to upgrading to 1.10 I tried to focus on my budgie in her cage using both full auto AF.C and zone AF.C with subject recognition on. Lens was the Sigma 17-70 F/2.8-4 DC Macro HSM at close to minimal focus distance to the cage bars. On version. 1.02, it would focus on the bars no matter how I composed and what mode I used. On 1.10, it would catch the bars from time to time, but you could tell it was trying to focus through them to the budgie. As long as I shot between the bars and the budgie's face was clear between the bars, it actually did focus on her and most times it did focus on either her head (beak, top of the head) or her eye. I did have to focus a few times to get the AF point to shoot between the bars (3-4 times before it would shoot through the bars) so something has changed with algorithm. At least from how the system worked before 1.10. Keep in mind that this wasn't an in the field multiple scenario test. But back to back between firmwares it is a noticeable change. I also had to re-do lens focus fine adjustment on a couple of my lenses so far. Just out of curiosity, which of your lenses did you have to re-do the lens fine adjustments on?

07-23-2021, 07:00 AM	#93
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by larrymc just out of curiosity, which of your lenses did you have to re-do the lens fine adjustments on? 55-300 plm, 18-135, da 50 1.8

07-23-2021, 09:47 AM	#94
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Kobie 55-300 plm, 18-135, da 50 1.8 Thanks, Since I'm a retired Pentaxian, I might just fine tune all of my lenses again. After all, its not like I don't have time to do it.

07-23-2021, 10:09 AM	#95
lmd91343 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,027	Oh such fun! I have 17 AF lenses! Much AF fine tuning to do.

07-23-2021, 10:37 AM	#96
c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,193	Originally posted by Kobie I also had to re-do lens focus fine adjustment on a couple of my lenses so far. Originally posted by Larrymc I might just fine tune all of my lenses again. Originally posted by lmd91343 I have 17 AF lenses! I'm sitting on the fence about updating the firmware on my K-3 III. I haven't experienced any problems or glitches yet with my camera in terms of operation or focusing. While the electronic shutter is enticing, I don't look forward to recalibrating the AF Fine Adjustment for my 11 AF lenses. I didn't observe any issues with AF after updating to FW 1.01, but I believe that version didn't touch autofocus or tracking. I think I'll stand fast for now and wait to hear more reports. Thanks to all who post on their experiences. - Craig

07-23-2021, 11:41 PM - 1 Like	#97
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	I did update and I did go shooting with our daughter and our friends daughter looking bunnies in a cage. I did(W when there was a gap between cage bars) catch my friend daughter and it focused on eye even. It was harder to catch those rabbits. Actually than human. But focus is much better now and I think it will improve even further

07-24-2021, 01:16 PM	#98
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	I notice on the KP if you turn on electronic shutter than shake reduction is disabled (in both PDAF & CDAF). So if you are using it for increased stability, you are losing SR at the same time which may turn out worse. Is that also the case on the K-3 iii?

07-25-2021, 12:55 AM	#99
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by vonBaloney I notice on the KP if you turn on electronic shutter than shake reduction is disabled (in both PDAF & CDAF). So if you are using it for increased stability, you are losing SR at the same time which may turn out worse. Is that also the case on the K-3 iii? SR seems to be working with ES when I’m shooting with OVF and LV. Bad thing aboutOVF and ES is that you are shooting ‘blind’ when you capture things with burst. But that works too, not sure if I’ll be using it that way thou but it is cool to take a burst when you are using OVF and you just noticed that you just took a bunch of photos while holding shutter button down…

07-25-2021, 06:25 AM - 1 Like	#100
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,905	Originally posted by kypfer The problem with relying on a bunch of mostly amateur end-users for feedback like this is that it is difficult to make direct comparisons when any improvement is only incremental. Very few "test" scenarios will be repeatable and even fewer end-users will have a second non-updated camera body to make the comparison, so any results are likely to be mostly subjective opinion. I realise that it's not scientific. On the other hand, having lots of pissed off users because their very expensive camera isn't focussing to their satisfaction isn't great either. If people are happier with the result of the update on the whole, something has to have improved.

07-27-2021, 01:41 PM	#101
Lloyd_Christmas Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 462	Originally posted by repaap SR seems to be working with ES when I’m shooting with OVF and LV. Bad thing aboutOVF and ES is that you are shooting ‘blind’ when you capture things with burst. But that works too, not sure if I’ll be using it that way thou but it is cool to take a burst when you are using OVF and you just noticed that you just took a bunch of photos while holding shutter button down… Ok now I understand better what happens when using ES and not in live view. It can be beneficial in burst shooting? What is the upside to leaving ES on all the time? or downside? Sorry for the novice question. I well understand this ES is perfect for Live View but don't know if it ever should be used when not in LV...

07-27-2021, 08:59 PM	#102
sbc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Photos: Albums Posts: 357	Originally posted by c.a.m I'm sitting on the fence about updating the firmware on my K-3 III. I haven't experienced any problems or glitches yet with my camera in terms of operation or focusing. While the electronic shutter is enticing, I don't look forward to recalibrating the AF Fine Adjustment for my 11 AF lenses. I didn't observe any issues with AF after updating to FW 1.01, but I believe that version didn't touch autofocus or tracking. I think I'll stand fast for now and wait to hear more reports. Thanks to all who post on their experiences. - Craig Ver 1.10 did help me with slot 2. Slot 2 and SD card compatibility - PentaxForums.com

07-28-2021, 02:37 AM	#104
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	That bird is hilarious!

07-28-2021, 05:36 AM	#105
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Lloyd_Christmas Ok now I understand better what happens when using ES and not in live view. It can be beneficial in burst shooting? What is the upside to leaving ES on all the time? or downside? Sorry for the novice question. I well understand this ES is perfect for Live View but don't know if it ever should be used when not in LV... It is beneficial, but also in panning or any movement like that might cause distortion, like in that picture of a bird above. Same rules apply in any ES shooting. But it can be very beneficial in many other situations where movement is little or none.

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