K3 iii silent mirrorless operation

**BigMackCam** · 11-22-2021, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by reh321

As I had expected, a "loupe" does not give me a viewfinder experience on a "Q", and adds size.
We have had this discussion many times - it is not the same thing.

Originally posted by Rondec

This is such a weird thread.

Weird it most certainly is. I believe I'll leave you good folks to it...

AfterPentax Mark II · 11-22-2021, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

This is such a weird thread

Of course it is weird, but then today it is November 22nd and all these comments can be used to qualify for the raffle!

AfterPentax Mark II · 11-22-2021, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by house

There is already language to describe it, the key words are *dslr* and *live view*. I can't see what this new terminology adds to this particularly as the two words are well established and understood.

Wrong! A DSLR does not have live view. Take the K10d, its predecessors and the K100d to mention a few, they are true DSLR. At that time it was often mentioned (D)SLR a digitized single lens reflex. Live view belongs to the mirrorless realm. From K20d onwards we have a hybrid camera that can function as a DSLR or as a mirrorless in taking a picture. You can even go so far that the actual taking of the picture is always mirrorless, as the image is not transferred to the film or sensor through the use of the mirror, but directly from the lens to film or sensor surface. But maybe for some of the forum members this is a bridge too far, for which I do apologize.

gatorguy · 11-22-2021, 10:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

This is such a weird thread.

If you are in a specific scenario where you need to have the K-3 III function silently you are able to get it to do so. This is a new thing for Pentax cameras. As far as I know, while the KP and K-1/K-1 II have electronic shutters, they are definitely not silent even when using live view. Using a K-3 III in silent mode occasionally does not (1) Turn it into a failed MILC (I think a number of MILCs without EVFs have sold decently, but still) or (2) Mean that the OVF vanishes -- it just can't be used and have the camera function silently.

I think it is a positive and hopefully something that is added to future Pentax models, even if it doesn't auto-magically turn a K-1 III into a mirrorless model.

You seem to be one of only a couple posters who get it.

**Mikesul** · 11-22-2021, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

You seem to be one of only a couple posters who get it.

He often is.

reh321 · 11-22-2021, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

You seem to be one of only a couple posters who get it.

I understood what the OP was saying - I just think it is pointless.

added: I am not posting here to get my 'count' up - I will not be competing in this particular "raffle"

house · 11-22-2021, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Sure. My point was only that an EVF is just an LCD display with optical elements to aid viewing. It was made in relation to the claim that a true MILC has an EVF...

Its a relevant comparison when the loupe occupies the space of the pentaprism. Otherwise not. I prefer ovf but thats a different issue.

biz-engineer · 11-22-2021, 12:53 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mlt

K3 iii silent mirrorless operation

That was exactly my complain about the Pentax K-1 and K-1 II being so noisy going back/forth from ovf to live view, unlike the K3 III.

Paul the Sunman · 11-22-2021, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

That was exactly my complain about the Pentax K-1 and K-1 II being so noisy going back/forth from ovf to live view, unlike the K3 III.

I don't notice much difference! Perhaps slightly more of a sharp click component on the K1.

house · 11-22-2021, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

That was exactly my complain about the Pentax K-1 and K-1 II being so noisy going back/forth from ovf to live view, unlike the K3 III.

I feel almost guilty when going back/forth to much because the process sounds a bit violent. Like I'm wrecking the camera by doing it to much, the light delay is annoying as well.

bertwert · 11-22-2021, 01:23 PM

So does the mirror remain up in the K-3iii when you turn it off?

As far as I can work out the KP is also silent when in LV and ES, just mirror cycles down when you turn it off...

slartibartfast01 · 11-22-2021, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by house

I feel almost guilty when going back/forth to much because the process sounds a bit violent. Like I'm wrecking the camera by doing it to much, the light delay is annoying as well.

When I use live view on the K50 I always switch off live view before taking the shot to avoid the double cycle of the mirror.

reh321 · 11-22-2021, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by bertwert

So does the mirror remain up in the K-3iii when you turn it off?

As far as I can work out the KP is also silent when in LV and ES, just mirror cycles down when you turn it off...

Apparently the K-3iii’s mirror stays up if it is up when you turn it off;
I cannot imagine storing it that way.

kypfer · 11-22-2021, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Apparently the K-3iii’s mirror stays up if it is up when you turn it off;
I cannot imagine storing it that way.

If it does, it must be only under certain circumstances, I can't get mine, with the latest firmware, to do anything other than drop the mirror when the camera is powered off.

biz-engineer · 11-23-2021, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by house

I feel almost guilty when going back/forth to much because the process sounds a bit violent. Like I'm wrecking the camera by doing it to much, the light delay is annoying as well.

My K1 has around 60K exposures, but I use live-view a lot, so my K1 shutter probably has 120K actuation or even more, I expect it'll die before it reaches 200K Exif counter.

11-22-2021, 09:22 AM	#32
AfterPentax Mark II Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,461	To raffle or to not raffle! Originally posted by Rondec This is such a weird thread Of course it is weird, but then today it is November 22nd and all these comments can be used to qualify for the raffle!

11-22-2021, 10:18 AM	#33
AfterPentax Mark II Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,461	What's in a name part 2 Originally posted by house There is already language to describe it, the key words are dslr and live view. I can't see what this new terminology adds to this particularly as the two words are well established and understood. Wrong! A DSLR does not have live view. Take the K10d, its predecessors and the K100d to mention a few, they are true DSLR. At that time it was often mentioned (D)SLR a digitized single lens reflex. Live view belongs to the mirrorless realm. From K20d onwards we have a hybrid camera that can function as a DSLR or as a mirrorless in taking a picture. You can even go so far that the actual taking of the picture is always mirrorless, as the image is not transferred to the film or sensor through the use of the mirror, but directly from the lens to film or sensor surface. But maybe for some of the forum members this is a bridge too far, for which I do apologize.

11-22-2021, 02:02 PM	#43
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by bertwert So does the mirror remain up in the K-3iii when you turn it off? As far as I can work out the KP is also silent when in LV and ES, just mirror cycles down when you turn it off... Apparently the K-3iii’s mirror stays up if it is up when you turn it off; I cannot imagine storing it that way. Last edited by reh321; 11-22-2021 at 02:08 PM.

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11-22-2021, 09:14 AM	#31
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by reh321 As I had expected, a "loupe" does not give me a viewfinder experience on a "Q", and adds size. We have had this discussion many times - it is not the same thing. Originally posted by Rondec This is such a weird thread. Weird it most certainly is. I believe I'll leave you good folks to it...

11-22-2021, 10:33 AM - 1 Like	#34
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by Rondec This is such a weird thread. If you are in a specific scenario where you need to have the K-3 III function silently you are able to get it to do so. This is a new thing for Pentax cameras. As far as I know, while the KP and K-1/K-1 II have electronic shutters, they are definitely not silent even when using live view. Using a K-3 III in silent mode occasionally does not (1) Turn it into a failed MILC (I think a number of MILCs without EVFs have sold decently, but still) or (2) Mean that the OVF vanishes -- it just can't be used and have the camera function silently. I think it is a positive and hopefully something that is added to future Pentax models, even if it doesn't auto-magically turn a K-1 III into a mirrorless model. You seem to be one of only a couple posters who get it.

11-22-2021, 11:39 AM	#35
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by gatorguy You seem to be one of only a couple posters who get it. He often is.

11-22-2021, 11:48 AM	#36
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by gatorguy You seem to be one of only a couple posters who get it. I understood what the OP was saying - I just think it is pointless. added: I am not posting here to get my 'count' up - I will not be competing in this particular "raffle"

11-22-2021, 11:51 AM	#37
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by BigMackCam Sure. My point was only that an EVF is just an LCD display with optical elements to aid viewing. It was made in relation to the claim that a true MILC has an EVF... Its a relevant comparison when the loupe occupies the space of the pentaprism. Otherwise not. I prefer ovf but thats a different issue.

11-22-2021, 12:53 PM - 1 Like	#38
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by mlt K3 iii silent mirrorless operation That was exactly my complain about the Pentax K-1 and K-1 II being so noisy going back/forth from ovf to live view, unlike the K3 III.

11-22-2021, 01:20 PM	#39
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Originally posted by biz-engineer That was exactly my complain about the Pentax K-1 and K-1 II being so noisy going back/forth from ovf to live view, unlike the K3 III. I don't notice much difference! Perhaps slightly more of a sharp click component on the K1.

11-22-2021, 01:20 PM	#40
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by biz-engineer That was exactly my complain about the Pentax K-1 and K-1 II being so noisy going back/forth from ovf to live view, unlike the K3 III. I feel almost guilty when going back/forth to much because the process sounds a bit violent. Like I'm wrecking the camera by doing it to much, the light delay is annoying as well.

11-22-2021, 01:23 PM	#41
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	So does the mirror remain up in the K-3iii when you turn it off? As far as I can work out the KP is also silent when in LV and ES, just mirror cycles down when you turn it off...

11-22-2021, 01:33 PM	#42
slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Originally posted by house I feel almost guilty when going back/forth to much because the process sounds a bit violent. Like I'm wrecking the camera by doing it to much, the light delay is annoying as well. When I use live view on the K50 I always switch off live view before taking the shot to avoid the double cycle of the mirror.

11-22-2021, 03:47 PM	#44
kypfer Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Jersey C.I. Posts: 3,593	Originally posted by reh321 Apparently the K-3iii’s mirror stays up if it is up when you turn it off; I cannot imagine storing it that way. If it does, it must be only under certain circumstances, I can't get mine, with the latest firmware, to do anything other than drop the mirror when the camera is powered off.

11-23-2021, 02:00 AM	#45
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by house I feel almost guilty when going back/forth to much because the process sounds a bit violent. Like I'm wrecking the camera by doing it to much, the light delay is annoying as well. My K1 has around 60K exposures, but I use live-view a lot, so my K1 shutter probably has 120K actuation or even more, I expect it'll die before it reaches 200K Exif counter.