K3 iii silent mirrorless operation

**mlt** · 11-21-2021, 09:57 PM - **1 Like**

The K3 iii can function as a true silent mirrorless camera by 1: set the top 3 position mode dial to LV. 2: enable the electronic shutter. 3: (optional) enable touch screen selection of the focus point. The settings remain selected even after a power off/on cycle with no mirror flopping - it stays up until the mode dial is changed. Pictures are taken silently with no shutter sound or mirror flopping sound.

reh321 · 11-21-2021, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by mlt

The K3 iii can function as a true silent mirrorless camera by 1: set the top 3 position mode dial to LV. 2: enable the electronic shutter. 3: (optional) enable touch screen selection of the focus point. The settings remain selected even after a power off/on cycle with no mirror flopping - it stays up until the mode dial is changed. Pictures are taken silently with no shutter sound or mirror flopping sound.

But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC.
A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight.

Sandy Hancock · 11-21-2021, 10:23 PM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight.

Sorry, I must be missing something.

Which part of the term "Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera" mandates the presence of an electronic viewfinder?

stevebrot · 11-21-2021, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Sorry, I must be missing something.

Which part of the term "Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera" mandates the presence of an electronic viewfinder?

I seem to be missing the same something.

Steve

Paul the Sunman · 11-21-2021, 11:02 PM

Never got the hang of shooting with the rear screen myself.

biz-engineer · 11-21-2021, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by reh321

But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC.

You'd have to buy the HDMI EVF accessory kit.

**Joetitch** · 11-22-2021, 12:23 AM - **9 Likes**

The correct reference being looked for Is Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lense or EVIL for short��

AfterPentax Mark II · 11-22-2021, 01:10 AM

You are right, but fortunately with K-3 Mark III it sits on the back of the camera just like your KP which has the extra advantage of being flippable. Did you know that (I guess from K20d onwards) most Pentax branded APS-C camera's are dual viewfinder camera's the exception being the K-01?

**BigMackCam** · 11-22-2021, 02:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC.
A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight.

So the Canon EOS M6, Fujfilm X-A7, Olympus PEN E-P7, Sigma FP, Leica TL2 and others aren't true MILCs? I suspect the manufacturers would beg to differ

M - mirrorless, i.e. no mirror. ILC - interchangeable lens camera. Nothing about viewfinders in there...

In any case, stick an LCD loupe over the K-3III's display and you have your viewfinder

That's all the EVF is on MILCs that have one - an LCD display with optical elements to enable viewing at the correct size and distance...

**Rondec** · 11-22-2021, 03:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC.
A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight.

Others have mentioned, but mirrorless refers to the absence of a mirror, nothing else. There are lots of mirrorless cameras that don't have EVFs -- I understand your preference is to have one.

I think the point the OP is making has more to do with the "silent mode." While other Pentax cameras have featured the ability to take photos with an electronic shutter, they still make plenty of noise in the process. Apparently the K-3 III can be set so that it doesn't.

**Pål Jensen** · 11-22-2021, 03:54 AM - **1 Like**

The rear screen is a viewfinder.....

slartibartfast01 · 11-22-2021, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

The rear screen is a viewfinder.....

It is but you can't always see it in bright sunlight.

**Rondec** · 11-22-2021, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by slartibartfast01

It is but you can't always see it in bright sunlight.

There are ways around that.

I would say that the majority of the time where you need "true silent shooting mode" would be indoors where using the rear LCD would typically not be a problem. Most of the time when I am out doors it is not a problem to have a little noise (Pentax mechanical shutters aren't very loud).

house · 11-22-2021, 04:08 AM - **2 Likes**

A camera with a mirror can't become mirrorless by locking the mirror up. It still has a mirror.

My comment is tedious but so are the comments trying to suggest a DSLR can be a mirrorless. You get the worst of both worlds pretending a DSLR is mirrorless.

**Rondec** · 11-22-2021, 04:13 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by house

A camera with a mirror can't become mirrorless by locking the mirror up. It still has a mirror.

My comment is tedious but so are the comments trying to suggest a DSLR can be a mirrorless. You get the worst of both worlds pretending a DSLR is mirrorless.

Not to be argumentative, but I think the key word in the OP's post was the word "function." He isn't saying that the K-3 III becomes a mirrorless camera, but rather that it can operate noiselessly like one when certain things are done. Since this is something that is new for the K-3 III it is worth mentioning.

I also don't know how much a difference there really is between, a K-50 stuck in live view and a K-01. Maybe there is more than I think, but I think the differences between SLRs and MILCs have been inflated over time.

11-21-2021, 09:57 PM - 1 Like	#1
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	K3 iii silent mirrorless operation The K3 iii can function as a true silent mirrorless camera by 1: set the top 3 position mode dial to LV. 2: enable the electronic shutter. 3: (optional) enable touch screen selection of the focus point. The settings remain selected even after a power off/on cycle with no mirror flopping - it stays up until the mode dial is changed. Pictures are taken silently with no shutter sound or mirror flopping sound.

11-22-2021, 02:52 AM - 1 Like	#9
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by reh321 But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC. A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight. So the Canon EOS M6, Fujfilm X-A7, Olympus PEN E-P7, Sigma FP, Leica TL2 and others aren't true MILCs? I suspect the manufacturers would beg to differ M - mirrorless, i.e. no mirror. ILC - interchangeable lens camera. Nothing about viewfinders in there... In any case, stick an LCD loupe over the K-3III's display and you have your viewfinder That's all the EVF is on MILCs that have one - an LCD display with optical elements to enable viewing at the correct size and distance... Last edited by BigMackCam; 11-22-2021 at 04:11 AM.

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by mlt The K3 iii can function as a true silent mirrorless camera by 1: set the top 3 position mode dial to LV. 2: enable the electronic shutter. 3: (optional) enable touch screen selection of the focus point. The settings remain selected even after a power off/on cycle with no mirror flopping - it stays up until the mode dial is changed. Pictures are taken silently with no shutter sound or mirror flopping sound. But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC. A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight.

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by reh321 A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight. Sorry, I must be missing something. Which part of the term "Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera" mandates the presence of an electronic viewfinder?

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stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Sorry, I must be missing something. Which part of the term "Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera" mandates the presence of an electronic viewfinder? I seem to be missing the same something. Steve

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Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Never got the hang of shooting with the rear screen myself.

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by reh321 But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC. You'd have to buy the HDMI EVF accessory kit.

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Joetitch Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Leura NSW Posts: 502	The correct reference being looked for Is Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lense or EVIL for short��

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AfterPentax Mark II Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,462	You are right, but fortunately with K-3 Mark III it sits on the back of the camera just like your KP which has the extra advantage of being flippable. Did you know that (I guess from K20d onwards) most Pentax branded APS-C camera's are dual viewfinder camera's the exception being the K-01?

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by reh321 But this camera has no viewfinder, so it still isn't truly a MILC. A true MILC has a viewfinder which makes it completely usable in the brightness of direct sunlight. Others have mentioned, but mirrorless refers to the absence of a mirror, nothing else. There are lots of mirrorless cameras that don't have EVFs -- I understand your preference is to have one. I think the point the OP is making has more to do with the "silent mode." While other Pentax cameras have featured the ability to take photos with an electronic shutter, they still make plenty of noise in the process. Apparently the K-3 III can be set so that it doesn't.

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Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	The rear screen is a viewfinder.....

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slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Originally posted by Pål Jensen The rear screen is a viewfinder..... It is but you can't always see it in bright sunlight.

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by slartibartfast01 It is but you can't always see it in bright sunlight. There are ways around that. I would say that the majority of the time where you need "true silent shooting mode" would be indoors where using the rear LCD would typically not be a problem. Most of the time when I am out doors it is not a problem to have a little noise (Pentax mechanical shutters aren't very loud).

11-22-2021, 04:08 AM - 2 Likes	#14
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	A camera with a mirror can't become mirrorless by locking the mirror up. It still has a mirror. My comment is tedious but so are the comments trying to suggest a DSLR can be a mirrorless. You get the worst of both worlds pretending a DSLR is mirrorless.

11-22-2021, 04:13 AM - 3 Likes	#15
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by house A camera with a mirror can't become mirrorless by locking the mirror up. It still has a mirror. My comment is tedious but so are the comments trying to suggest a DSLR can be a mirrorless. You get the worst of both worlds pretending a DSLR is mirrorless. Not to be argumentative, but I think the key word in the OP's post was the word "function." He isn't saying that the K-3 III becomes a mirrorless camera, but rather that it can operate noiselessly like one when certain things are done. Since this is something that is new for the K-3 III it is worth mentioning. I also don't know how much a difference there really is between, a K-50 stuck in live view and a K-01. Maybe there is more than I think, but I think the differences between SLRs and MILCs have been inflated over time.