Thematic Post your Exclusive Gallery Rejects

thoughton · 04-05-2012, 04:00 AM

Just had a look through the latest acceptances, I see we've had some retroactive acceptances again. The Hummingbird by J-Rod was the final acceptance the last time I visited the PEG, but now I see that two photos by Varyabol have been inserted before the Hummingbird. I know this because I make a point of rating every single PEG photo, and I have not rated the two by Varyabol.

The last time this happened the photos in question were mistakenly put into the PEG, has that happened again?

(cc'ed to Adam)

Last edited by thoughton; 04-05-2012 at 04:07 AM.

**Ash** · 04-05-2012, 05:11 AM

Perhaps it took longer for the judges to come to a consensus for those delayed images.

atupdate · 04-09-2012, 07:01 AM

Prieni and Tamia,

I would be pleased to have any of your recent rejects hanging on my walls. Great colors and artistically very appealing. These are the type of shots that people would cross the room to have a closer look at. I'm starting to question the credentials of the judges.

Tim

Prieni · 04-09-2012, 08:21 AM

Thanks Tim!
I wouldn't question the credentials of the judges, judging is a difficult business and judging images can never be done purely objective.

When I look through the selection in PEG I see some (most) shots where it is easy to see why they are selected. Some of the insect shots are not at the same level (in my book). Insects and birds seem to get in with more ease than other subjects. Also I can see some badly PP'ed shots that made it in.
So from the images in the PEG it is not possible to deduce the set of criteria that the judging is founded on (apart from the criterion "when the image is by Prieni it doesn't go in", of course

). And the same with the images shown in this thread. Look at Tamia's "Skeletal" on the first page of this thread. Breathtakingly good. Tanner Yates shots of the spider and praying mantis (page 3) are far better than some of the insect shots that made it (so I have to take back my remark above; insects don't get in easier).

At least the recent rejections had some comments as you can see above. Even if I don't agree with them they do provide some sort of explanation.
BTW: The last rejected shot (crushing waves) has been sold about 20 times in sizes up to two metres. It also has been bought by a photographer for two composites in a calendar. So some viewers seem to make a connection with it...

Prieni

**Ash** · 04-09-2012, 08:47 AM

Tim, the 'judges' on the forum are doing their 'job' voluntarily. It's going to be a tough call to find 'credentialed' judges to fill existing posts or indeed to add to the current judge pool. But do remember, it is a consensus vote, and not all judges are going to agree with your artistic taste. Also keep in mind that rejections are at times only voted upon because of a minor issue such as colour balance or another editable correction which if performed might have a better shot at being accepted.

**Ash** · 04-09-2012, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Tamia

I had hopes for this abstract from nature, but alas, no go:

These are a kind of moss, and each stalk is about 1 - 1.5 inches high. Shot handheld (ground level) with a Pentax 55-300mm telephoto and a Raynox DCR-150.

I had good comments from the judges, including one who thought the in-focus stem was too central to make a comfortable composition. Before submitting I had considered cropping this on a 4:3 aspect ratio, and removing some of the right side, but didn't. I think that next time I'll also use a wide open aperture rather than f/8 to get circular bokeh.

Tamia, I like this one very much. It does make good wall art. I do find it a little 'busy' though and hard to easily make out the 'subject' or the reed in focus. I'd think that if shot wide open, the current composition might be just as hard to work out, and the current bokeh effect in the image is quite appealing. Not all rejected shots are without merit! This one proves that, though there would be agreed upon reasons from the judging panel that would explain the result.

**Ash** · 04-09-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Prieni

Thanks Brisboy!
Alas, not good enough for the elusive gallery. I guess I concentrate a bit more on 1x.com, far easier

I start thinking it must be something else as well as the inferior quality of my submissions that keeps me out of PEG.

Prieni

I'd keep submitting entries you know are good and you want to feature in the gallery. I keep saying this, but I think it's important: the gallery is only as good as its entries. But rest assured, no judge is able to know the artist who submitted the entry unless there is a watermark to indicate it. Do show us your 1x.com acceptances that didn't make it into PEG. I'd be interested to check them out.

Prieni · 04-09-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Ash

Do show us your 1x.com acceptances that didn't make it into PEG. I'd be interested to check them out.

The last one I posted in this thread is one of the two accepted in 1x.com. The other one I think I posted here before, too:

Prieni

**Ash** · 04-09-2012, 09:59 AM

I haven't seen that last one come through PEG, but that is indeed a well captured image. A very good result.

thoughton · 04-09-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Ash

Perhaps it took longer for the judges to come to a consensus for those delayed images.

I guess not in this case, as both of those images have been removed now.

**BigDave** · 04-09-2012, 11:40 AM

Pri:

Nice shot! I guess they didn't notice the one person standing in the image (and not blurred). Perhaps they wanted more lighting on their face! Can you share how you did it?

Regards,

Prieni · 04-09-2012, 02:23 PM

Thanks!
BigDave, this is done fairly straight forward. Camera on tripod with DA 10-17 fisheye, 4 seconds exposure gave the best patterns on the wheel. That guy stood there without moving during exposure.

Prieni

tessfully · 05-21-2012, 05:59 AM - **1 Like**

Well, I finally had a few images I was proud enough of to submit to the PEG. All rejected. I did resubmit one of them based on the feedback but don't have expectations. Nice to share them here though!

A few of nature waking up

an abstract

A landscape at dusk --- boring but the light was sooooo nice!

**BigDave** · 05-21-2012, 03:59 PM

tess,

the fern is really quite nice. The reflection abstract is also very special. These two were your best of this group. Well done!

slowpez · 05-24-2012, 08:26 AM - **2 Likes**

I hadn't submitted any photos to the exclusive gallery in quite a while. Although I have some in there from when the gallery was new, I still haven't a clue what, if anything, the judges are looking for. I submitted this one because I really liked the softness and the dreamy quality it had.
The comments (except for the "great shot", "beautiful" type that are always included with any feedback) I was told it needed to be cropped and it was too bad the birds legs were so dark (the bird has black legs) and too bad the stump was too dark. Against my better judgement, I cropped the darn thing and tried to lighten those black legs and the stump without blowing out highlights and the comment came back saying they liked it better without the crop. See the second shot. I am going to have to learn to photograph bugs I guess.

05-24-2012, 08:26 AM - 2 Likes	#510
slowpez Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South Carolina, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 18,462	I hadn't submitted any photos to the exclusive gallery in quite a while. Although I have some in there from when the gallery was new, I still haven't a clue what, if anything, the judges are looking for. I submitted this one because I really liked the softness and the dreamy quality it had. The comments (except for the "great shot", "beautiful" type that are always included with any feedback) I was told it needed to be cropped and it was too bad the birds legs were so dark (the bird has black legs) and too bad the stump was too dark. Against my better judgement, I cropped the darn thing and tried to lighten those black legs and the stump without blowing out highlights and the comment came back saying they liked it better without the crop. See the second shot. I am going to have to learn to photograph bugs I guess. Last edited by slowpez; 06-08-2012 at 10:15 AM.

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04-05-2012, 04:00 AM	#496
thoughton Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Saffron Walden, Essex Photos: Gallery Posts: 362	Just had a look through the latest acceptances, I see we've had some retroactive acceptances again. The Hummingbird by J-Rod was the final acceptance the last time I visited the PEG, but now I see that two photos by Varyabol have been inserted before the Hummingbird. I know this because I make a point of rating every single PEG photo, and I have not rated the two by Varyabol. The last time this happened the photos in question were mistakenly put into the PEG, has that happened again? (cc'ed to Adam) Last edited by thoughton; 04-05-2012 at 04:07 AM.

04-05-2012, 05:11 AM	#497
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Perhaps it took longer for the judges to come to a consensus for those delayed images.

04-09-2012, 07:01 AM	#498
atupdate Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dayton, OH Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,723 Original Poster	Prieni and Tamia, I would be pleased to have any of your recent rejects hanging on my walls. Great colors and artistically very appealing. These are the type of shots that people would cross the room to have a closer look at. I'm starting to question the credentials of the judges. Tim

04-09-2012, 08:21 AM	#499
Prieni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rostock Photos: Gallery Posts: 104	Thanks Tim! I wouldn't question the credentials of the judges, judging is a difficult business and judging images can never be done purely objective. When I look through the selection in PEG I see some (most) shots where it is easy to see why they are selected. Some of the insect shots are not at the same level (in my book). Insects and birds seem to get in with more ease than other subjects. Also I can see some badly PP'ed shots that made it in. So from the images in the PEG it is not possible to deduce the set of criteria that the judging is founded on (apart from the criterion "when the image is by Prieni it doesn't go in", of course ). And the same with the images shown in this thread. Look at Tamia's "Skeletal" on the first page of this thread. Breathtakingly good. Tanner Yates shots of the spider and praying mantis (page 3) are far better than some of the insect shots that made it (so I have to take back my remark above; insects don't get in easier). At least the recent rejections had some comments as you can see above. Even if I don't agree with them they do provide some sort of explanation. BTW: The last rejected shot (crushing waves) has been sold about 20 times in sizes up to two metres. It also has been bought by a photographer for two composites in a calendar. So some viewers seem to make a connection with it... Prieni

04-09-2012, 08:47 AM	#500
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Tim, the 'judges' on the forum are doing their 'job' voluntarily. It's going to be a tough call to find 'credentialed' judges to fill existing posts or indeed to add to the current judge pool. But do remember, it is a consensus vote, and not all judges are going to agree with your artistic taste. Also keep in mind that rejections are at times only voted upon because of a minor issue such as colour balance or another editable correction which if performed might have a better shot at being accepted.

04-09-2012, 08:57 AM	#501
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by Tamia I had hopes for this abstract from nature, but alas, no go: These are a kind of moss, and each stalk is about 1 - 1.5 inches high. Shot handheld (ground level) with a Pentax 55-300mm telephoto and a Raynox DCR-150. I had good comments from the judges, including one who thought the in-focus stem was too central to make a comfortable composition. Before submitting I had considered cropping this on a 4:3 aspect ratio, and removing some of the right side, but didn't. I think that next time I'll also use a wide open aperture rather than f/8 to get circular bokeh. Tamia, I like this one very much. It does make good wall art. I do find it a little 'busy' though and hard to easily make out the 'subject' or the reed in focus. I'd think that if shot wide open, the current composition might be just as hard to work out, and the current bokeh effect in the image is quite appealing. Not all rejected shots are without merit! This one proves that, though there would be agreed upon reasons from the judging panel that would explain the result.

04-09-2012, 09:04 AM	#502
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by Prieni Thanks Brisboy! Alas, not good enough for the elusive gallery. I guess I concentrate a bit more on 1x.com, far easier I start thinking it must be something else as well as the inferior quality of my submissions that keeps me out of PEG. Prieni I'd keep submitting entries you know are good and you want to feature in the gallery. I keep saying this, but I think it's important: the gallery is only as good as its entries. But rest assured, no judge is able to know the artist who submitted the entry unless there is a watermark to indicate it. Do show us your 1x.com acceptances that didn't make it into PEG. I'd be interested to check them out.

04-09-2012, 09:42 AM	#503
Prieni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rostock Photos: Gallery Posts: 104	Originally posted by Ash Do show us your 1x.com acceptances that didn't make it into PEG. I'd be interested to check them out. The last one I posted in this thread is one of the two accepted in 1x.com. The other one I think I posted here before, too: Prieni

04-09-2012, 09:59 AM	#504
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	I haven't seen that last one come through PEG, but that is indeed a well captured image. A very good result.

04-09-2012, 10:11 AM	#505
thoughton Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Saffron Walden, Essex Photos: Gallery Posts: 362	Originally posted by Ash Perhaps it took longer for the judges to come to a consensus for those delayed images. I guess not in this case, as both of those images have been removed now.

04-09-2012, 11:40 AM	#506
BigDave Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hudson Valley, NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,626	Pri: Nice shot! I guess they didn't notice the one person standing in the image (and not blurred). Perhaps they wanted more lighting on their face! Can you share how you did it? Regards,

04-09-2012, 02:23 PM	#507
Prieni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rostock Photos: Gallery Posts: 104	Thanks! BigDave, this is done fairly straight forward. Camera on tripod with DA 10-17 fisheye, 4 seconds exposure gave the best patterns on the wheel. That guy stood there without moving during exposure. Prieni

05-21-2012, 05:59 AM - 1 Like	#508
tessfully Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: S. Algonquin, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,860	Well, I finally had a few images I was proud enough of to submit to the PEG. All rejected. I did resubmit one of them based on the feedback but don't have expectations. Nice to share them here though! A few of nature waking up an abstract A landscape at dusk --- boring but the light was sooooo nice!

05-21-2012, 03:59 PM	#509
BigDave Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hudson Valley, NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,626	tess, the fern is really quite nice. The reflection abstract is also very special. These two were your best of this group. Well done!