Thematic The Very Essence - Show me your abstracts!

**Tonytee** · 01-02-2019, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

The lens is made by Zeiss, with FOV equivalent to 24~200mm on FF. The lens and the one-inch sensor on the little Sony do very well for a camera that's pocket-size. Two minor complaints about the camera: 1) it doesn't focus quite as close as I'd like; 2) the flash is directly above the lens, and when taking a flash picture as close as the camera will focus, the lens will cast a shadow. I also have a smaller Panasonic LF 1 with a much smaller sensor, The flash is at the far edge along the top, and in macro mode, it will focus to about one inch and illuminate with the flash with no lens shadow. However, the tiny sensor of the LF 1 limits IQ significantly more than the larger sensor of the Sony. Always there are compromises.

Yes, I do understand what you mean by compromises. I really like the IQ I get from my Olympus E-PL1 using both the kit lens and the Oly., 40~150mm telephoto. The problem is me as I cannot get used to the smallness, it is very cumbersome for me to handle. Many times I have to go to my trusty tripod. I would like to sell it but I know I would end up taking a huge loss as I did purchase the Electronic Viewfinder. Live and learn I guess.

Thnx,

tT

**WPRESTO** · 01-02-2019, 05:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

I'd say that they pretty much only have a Zeiss label on them, Wpresto.

The Sony Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina.

Some if not all lenses labeled "Voigtlander" are or were made by Cosina, several of these are outstanding, and some discontinued models are legendary for both mechanical and optical excellence (125mm macro and several others in the same series). I am not a member of the school who believe that the brand name on a product is an automatic indication of quality, either exceptionally good or marginally acceptable. Lenses, just like people, should be judged as individuals. Regardless of whether the zoom on my Sony is labeled Zeiss, Sony, Tokina, Pentax, Laowa, Zoomatic, or Cokebottlerecyclon, it is a very good lens.

**clackers** · 01-02-2019, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

Some if not all lenses labeled "Voigtlander" are or were made by Cosina, several of these are outstanding, and some discontinued models are legendary for both mechanical and optical excellence (125mm macro and several others in the same series). I am not a member of the school who believe that the brand name on a product is an automatic indication of quality, either exceptionally good or marginally acceptable. Lenses, just like people, should be judged as individuals. Regardless of whether the zoom on my Sony is labeled Zeiss, Sony, Tokina, Pentax, Laowa, Zoomatic, or Cokebottlerecyclon, it is a very good lens.

All the current Voigtlander lenses are Cosina.

Zeiss license out their name. Good way to make money without making anything.

As far as genuine Zeiss products go, IIRC for cost reasons, only their cinema lenses are made in Germany, everything else in Asia these days.

**KC0PET** · 01-02-2019, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

Some if not all lenses labeled "Voigtlander" are or were made by Cosina, several of these are outstanding, and some discontinued models are legendary for both mechanical and optical excellence (125mm macro and several others in the same series). I am not a member of the school who believe that the brand name on a product is an automatic indication of quality, either exceptionally good or marginally acceptable. Lenses, just like people, should be judged as individuals. Regardless of whether the zoom on my Sony is labeled Zeiss, Sony, Tokina, Pentax, Laowa, Zoomatic, or Cokebottlerecyclon, it is a very good lens.

What about Oldspectacleblad? Extremely rare, but I hear they are quite good.

**WPRESTO** · 01-03-2019, 04:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by KC0PET

What about Oldspectacleblad? Extremely rare, but I hear they are quite good.

With that last lens name I posted, I was thinking of the standard response of a fine-art photographer when asked "what lens did you use?" The standard response has always been: "the bottom of a Coke bottle."

**robgski** · 01-04-2019, 07:02 PM - **1 Like**

Perhaps this is abstract enough ? [IMG]

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**KC0PET** · 01-04-2019, 08:17 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by WPRESTO

With that last lens name I posted, I was thinking of the standard response of a fine-art photographer when asked "what lens did you use?" The standard response has always been: "the bottom of a Coke bottle."

Given the nature of this thread, a Coke bottle lens might be interesting to try.

---------- Post added 01-04-19 at 09:33 PM ----------

OK so no coke bottles around, I used the bottom of a plastic vitamin water bottle. This is the Christmas Tree.

---------- Post added 01-04-19 at 09:49 PM ----------

And while we are on the topic of alternative lens options, here is a pinhole photo of the Christmas Tree.

SpecialK · 01-04-2019, 09:21 PM - **7 Likes**

I forget if I played already...

**KC0PET** · 01-05-2019, 09:35 AM - **2 Likes**

More with the "vitamin water" lens.

**robgski** · 01-12-2019, 06:56 AM

This? [IMG]

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**WPRESTO** · 01-12-2019, 03:21 PM - **1 Like**

Easy enough to see what this is, which might disqualify it as an abstract.

**WPRESTO** · 01-13-2019, 04:53 PM

Two kid-made abstracts.

**KC0PET** · 01-13-2019, 08:19 PM

Another photo-fail-turned-abstract

**WPRESTO** · 01-13-2019, 08:25 PM - **4 Likes**

I seem to be chasing around the forum KCOPET,
Some natural abstract seen regularly this time of year.

**KC0PET** · 01-13-2019, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

I seem to be chasing around the forum KCOPET,
Some natural abstract seen regularly this time of year.

Yeah, I had that sense that I was being followed (or am I the one following)

01-04-2019, 07:02 PM - 1 Like	#1311
robgski Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shenandoah Valley, Virginia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,817	Perhaps this is abstract enough ? [IMG][/IMG]

01-12-2019, 06:56 AM	#1315
robgski Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shenandoah Valley, Virginia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,817	This? [IMG][/IMG]

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01-02-2019, 01:33 AM	#1306
Tonytee Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 21,505	Originally posted by WPRESTO The lens is made by Zeiss, with FOV equivalent to 24~200mm on FF. The lens and the one-inch sensor on the little Sony do very well for a camera that's pocket-size. Two minor complaints about the camera: 1) it doesn't focus quite as close as I'd like; 2) the flash is directly above the lens, and when taking a flash picture as close as the camera will focus, the lens will cast a shadow. I also have a smaller Panasonic LF 1 with a much smaller sensor, The flash is at the far edge along the top, and in macro mode, it will focus to about one inch and illuminate with the flash with no lens shadow. However, the tiny sensor of the LF 1 limits IQ significantly more than the larger sensor of the Sony. Always there are compromises. Yes, I do understand what you mean by compromises. I really like the IQ I get from my Olympus E-PL1 using both the kit lens and the Oly., 40~150mm telephoto. The problem is me as I cannot get used to the smallness, it is very cumbersome for me to handle. Many times I have to go to my trusty tripod. I would like to sell it but I know I would end up taking a huge loss as I did purchase the Electronic Viewfinder. Live and learn I guess. Thnx, tT

01-02-2019, 05:27 AM - 1 Like	#1307
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,138	Originally posted by clackers I'd say that they pretty much only have a Zeiss label on them, Wpresto. The Sony Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina. Some if not all lenses labeled "Voigtlander" are or were made by Cosina, several of these are outstanding, and some discontinued models are legendary for both mechanical and optical excellence (125mm macro and several others in the same series). I am not a member of the school who believe that the brand name on a product is an automatic indication of quality, either exceptionally good or marginally acceptable. Lenses, just like people, should be judged as individuals. Regardless of whether the zoom on my Sony is labeled Zeiss, Sony, Tokina, Pentax, Laowa, Zoomatic, or Cokebottlerecyclon, it is a very good lens.

01-02-2019, 11:58 AM	#1308
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by WPRESTO Some if not all lenses labeled "Voigtlander" are or were made by Cosina, several of these are outstanding, and some discontinued models are legendary for both mechanical and optical excellence (125mm macro and several others in the same series). I am not a member of the school who believe that the brand name on a product is an automatic indication of quality, either exceptionally good or marginally acceptable. Lenses, just like people, should be judged as individuals. Regardless of whether the zoom on my Sony is labeled Zeiss, Sony, Tokina, Pentax, Laowa, Zoomatic, or Cokebottlerecyclon, it is a very good lens. All the current Voigtlander lenses are Cosina. Zeiss license out their name. Good way to make money without making anything. As far as genuine Zeiss products go, IIRC for cost reasons, only their cinema lenses are made in Germany, everything else in Asia these days.

01-02-2019, 06:51 PM	#1309
KC0PET Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Central Missouri Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,273	Originally posted by WPRESTO Some if not all lenses labeled "Voigtlander" are or were made by Cosina, several of these are outstanding, and some discontinued models are legendary for both mechanical and optical excellence (125mm macro and several others in the same series). I am not a member of the school who believe that the brand name on a product is an automatic indication of quality, either exceptionally good or marginally acceptable. Lenses, just like people, should be judged as individuals. Regardless of whether the zoom on my Sony is labeled Zeiss, Sony, Tokina, Pentax, Laowa, Zoomatic, or Cokebottlerecyclon, it is a very good lens. What about Oldspectacleblad? Extremely rare, but I hear they are quite good.

01-03-2019, 04:30 AM - 1 Like	#1310
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,138	Originally posted by KC0PET What about Oldspectacleblad? Extremely rare, but I hear they are quite good. With that last lens name I posted, I was thinking of the standard response of a fine-art photographer when asked "what lens did you use?" The standard response has always been: "the bottom of a Coke bottle."

01-04-2019, 08:17 PM - 4 Likes	#1312
KC0PET Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Central Missouri Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,273	Originally posted by WPRESTO With that last lens name I posted, I was thinking of the standard response of a fine-art photographer when asked "what lens did you use?" The standard response has always been: "the bottom of a Coke bottle." Given the nature of this thread, a Coke bottle lens might be interesting to try. ---------- Post added 01-04-19 at 09:33 PM ---------- OK so no coke bottles around, I used the bottom of a plastic vitamin water bottle. This is the Christmas Tree. ---------- Post added 01-04-19 at 09:49 PM ---------- And while we are on the topic of alternative lens options, here is a pinhole photo of the Christmas Tree.

01-04-2019, 09:21 PM - 7 Likes	#1313
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	I forget if I played already...

01-05-2019, 09:35 AM - 2 Likes	#1314
KC0PET Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Central Missouri Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,273	More with the "vitamin water" lens.

01-13-2019, 08:19 PM	#1318
KC0PET Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Central Missouri Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,273	Another photo-fail-turned-abstract

01-13-2019, 08:29 PM	#1320
KC0PET Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Central Missouri Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,273	Originally posted by WPRESTO I seem to be chasing around the forum KCOPET, Some natural abstract seen regularly this time of year. Yeah, I had that sense that I was being followed (or am I the one following)