Game Single in April

**jackassp** · 03-29-2011, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by blackcloudbrew

Hey that looks like fun to play with. Lucky.

I don't know about "lucky", it vignettes at f3.5, it has problems with edge sharpness, edge CA, and is very difficult to focus without a split prism, but hey, this is what "challenge" means.

**jackassp** · 03-29-2011, 04:57 PM

@Eddie, can I challenge you to only use the 14mm in MF mode for the month?

... Maybe I could challenge everyone to just use MF for April?

eddie1960 · 03-29-2011, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by jackassp

I don't know about "lucky", it vignettes at f3.5, it has problems with edge sharpness, edge CA, and is very difficult to focus without a split prism, but hey, this is what "challenge" means.

Play too it's strengths then vignetting and edge sharpness, weaknesses can become strengths in your hands jack

JeffJS · 03-29-2011, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by jackassp

@Eddie, can I challenge you to only use the 14mm in MF mode for the month?

... Maybe I could challenge everyone to just use MF for April?

For some more than others, just because of the nature of the lenses, that would be a Real challenge. It certainly causes people to slow down a little bit and rely on developing (or using already developed) skills instead of relying on electronics and software.

Edith, 1/2 of my lenses, at least, were purchased as a direct result of these types of challenges

.

eddie1960 · 03-29-2011, 06:38 PM

if i was going MF for the month then i would choose a different lens jack. the da 14 has a crappy mf throw
but im sure some sots will be manual fine tuned

JeffJS · 03-29-2011, 07:01 PM

If I remember correctly, the DA14 has 2 focal settings. Close and infinity. Everything in between seemed arbitrary and there wasn't much of it.

eddie1960 · 03-29-2011, 07:05 PM

pretty much the way it is jeff but wide open it's pickier

photolady95 · 03-29-2011, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by jackassp

Maybe I could challenge everyone to just use MF for April

That is not a challenge for me Jack as I always shoot MF.

My thinking is, if you're going to always shoot AF, why buy a DSLR?, why not just buy a Point and shoot? The birds I shoot are not going to sit still for the AF to hunt them down.

repaap · 03-29-2011, 11:09 PM

I'll be using MF too, with my A 24.

KarenH · 03-29-2011, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by photolady

That is not a challenge for me Jack as I always shoot MF.

My thinking is, if you're going to always shoot AF, why buy a DSLR?, why not just buy a Point and shoot? The birds I shoot are not going to sit still for the AF to hunt them down.

I don't agree with you on this. Using AF doesn't mean you are on the green mode all the time. And the AF on for example DA*300 is terrific, I think a lot of shots I've seen wouldn't have been that good if they had done it on MF. I don't say there's anything wrong with MF, I use it a lot, but the advantage of AF is great too. If I reread your words I can also say, why buy a dSLR? Go buy an old analogue camera, what's the point in using such an expensive camera if you're not going to use ALL you can get out of it.

photolady95 · 03-30-2011, 12:07 AM

You're right too Karen. I should have explained that better. Let's see if I can word it better. If you buy a DSLR, which gives you more creative options, and are able to use all of the functions on any given shot, but then you don't take advantage of those functions and only shoot AF, what's the point in having a DSLR? Then why not buy a point and hope, er, shoot.

And this is just my opinion.

**jackassp** · 03-30-2011, 12:16 AM

I like AF lenses, AND MF lenses, and also "A" series lenses and "M" or "K" series lenses (or equivalents).

This month I have shot AF using the Tamron, and thankfully I have learnt not to trust it, because in about 10% of my shots the AF was totally wrong, and thankfully I re-shot these photos.
But this is what the single challenge lens is all about, getting experience and learning about the lens foibles.

I'm going to shoot manual in April, but only because I enjoy it, for my own selfish reasons!

Jack

photolady95 · 03-30-2011, 01:06 AM

I still am not sure which lens to use this time. I have my two auto lenses, but I also have a Sears 135m 2.8 and a 50mm f2. I'd like to use the 135mm (m) lens, but I tried using it on the K100D and all I get is white photos. I'm sure there is something I'm not doing right but for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out what it is.

KarenH · 03-30-2011, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by photolady

You're right too Karen. I should have explained that better. Let's see if I can word it better. If you buy a DSLR, which gives you more creative options, and are able to use all of the functions on any given shot, but then you don't take advantage of those functions and only shoot AF, what's the point in having a DSLR? Then why not buy a point and hope, er, shoot.

And this is just my opinion.

On this I agree. Most people are also so disappointed when they switch from p&s to dSLR, because it doesn't look as pretty as they are used to. That depends also on what your definition of pretty is, but I think once they get off the green mode and start using the other functions on the camera they start to understand it. And there are people who will never leave that green mode, which I don't understand at all.
Shooting MF is a great way to learn about how camera and lens are corresponding and how the camera works.

**jackassp** · 03-30-2011, 02:54 AM

I'm praying that the Helios arrives tomorrow, Rense has suggested that the Tokina 17mm will be a very hard task!

I'm not sure now, might have to really bite the bullet and go with my DA15...

hahahahaha

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03-29-2011, 04:55 PM	#46
jackassp Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 813	Originally posted by blackcloudbrew Hey that looks like fun to play with. Lucky. I don't know about "lucky", it vignettes at f3.5, it has problems with edge sharpness, edge CA, and is very difficult to focus without a split prism, but hey, this is what "challenge" means.

03-29-2011, 04:57 PM	#47
jackassp Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 813	@Eddie, can I challenge you to only use the 14mm in MF mode for the month? ... Maybe I could challenge everyone to just use MF for April?

03-29-2011, 04:57 PM	#48
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666 Original Poster	Originally posted by jackassp I don't know about "lucky", it vignettes at f3.5, it has problems with edge sharpness, edge CA, and is very difficult to focus without a split prism, but hey, this is what "challenge" means. Play too it's strengths then vignetting and edge sharpness, weaknesses can become strengths in your hands jack

03-29-2011, 06:13 PM	#49
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by jackassp @Eddie, can I challenge you to only use the 14mm in MF mode for the month? ... Maybe I could challenge everyone to just use MF for April? For some more than others, just because of the nature of the lenses, that would be a Real challenge. It certainly causes people to slow down a little bit and rely on developing (or using already developed) skills instead of relying on electronics and software. Edith, 1/2 of my lenses, at least, were purchased as a direct result of these types of challenges .

03-29-2011, 06:38 PM	#50
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666 Original Poster	if i was going MF for the month then i would choose a different lens jack. the da 14 has a crappy mf throw but im sure some sots will be manual fine tuned

03-29-2011, 07:01 PM	#51
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	If I remember correctly, the DA14 has 2 focal settings. Close and infinity. Everything in between seemed arbitrary and there wasn't much of it.

03-29-2011, 07:05 PM	#52
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666 Original Poster	pretty much the way it is jeff but wide open it's pickier

03-29-2011, 10:36 PM	#53
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712	Originally posted by jackassp Maybe I could challenge everyone to just use MF for April That is not a challenge for me Jack as I always shoot MF. My thinking is, if you're going to always shoot AF, why buy a DSLR?, why not just buy a Point and shoot? The birds I shoot are not going to sit still for the AF to hunt them down.

03-29-2011, 11:09 PM	#54
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	I'll be using MF too, with my A 24.

03-29-2011, 11:52 PM	#55
KarenH Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Berkel en Rodenrijs Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 828	Originally posted by photolady That is not a challenge for me Jack as I always shoot MF. My thinking is, if you're going to always shoot AF, why buy a DSLR?, why not just buy a Point and shoot? The birds I shoot are not going to sit still for the AF to hunt them down. I don't agree with you on this. Using AF doesn't mean you are on the green mode all the time. And the AF on for example DA*300 is terrific, I think a lot of shots I've seen wouldn't have been that good if they had done it on MF. I don't say there's anything wrong with MF, I use it a lot, but the advantage of AF is great too. If I reread your words I can also say, why buy a dSLR? Go buy an old analogue camera, what's the point in using such an expensive camera if you're not going to use ALL you can get out of it.

03-30-2011, 12:07 AM	#56
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712	You're right too Karen. I should have explained that better. Let's see if I can word it better. If you buy a DSLR, which gives you more creative options, and are able to use all of the functions on any given shot, but then you don't take advantage of those functions and only shoot AF, what's the point in having a DSLR? Then why not buy a point and hope, er, shoot. And this is just my opinion.

03-30-2011, 12:16 AM	#57
jackassp Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 813	I like AF lenses, AND MF lenses, and also "A" series lenses and "M" or "K" series lenses (or equivalents). This month I have shot AF using the Tamron, and thankfully I have learnt not to trust it, because in about 10% of my shots the AF was totally wrong, and thankfully I re-shot these photos. But this is what the single challenge lens is all about, getting experience and learning about the lens foibles. I'm going to shoot manual in April, but only because I enjoy it, for my own selfish reasons! Jack

03-30-2011, 01:06 AM	#58
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712	I still am not sure which lens to use this time. I have my two auto lenses, but I also have a Sears 135m 2.8 and a 50mm f2. I'd like to use the 135mm (m) lens, but I tried using it on the K100D and all I get is white photos. I'm sure there is something I'm not doing right but for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out what it is.

03-30-2011, 02:43 AM	#59
KarenH Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Berkel en Rodenrijs Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 828	Originally posted by photolady You're right too Karen. I should have explained that better. Let's see if I can word it better. If you buy a DSLR, which gives you more creative options, and are able to use all of the functions on any given shot, but then you don't take advantage of those functions and only shoot AF, what's the point in having a DSLR? Then why not buy a point and hope, er, shoot. And this is just my opinion. On this I agree. Most people are also so disappointed when they switch from p&s to dSLR, because it doesn't look as pretty as they are used to. That depends also on what your definition of pretty is, but I think once they get off the green mode and start using the other functions on the camera they start to understand it. And there are people who will never leave that green mode, which I don't understand at all. Shooting MF is a great way to learn about how camera and lens are corresponding and how the camera works.

03-30-2011, 02:54 AM	#60
jackassp Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 813	I'm praying that the Helios arrives tomorrow, Rense has suggested that the Tokina 17mm will be a very hard task! I'm not sure now, might have to really bite the bullet and go with my DA15... hahahahaha