Originally posted by manntax The truth stays the same - safety doesn't rely on whether people have or not a free access to the guns.
OK, I completely disagree and with respect you need to be careful when using the word "truth" in connection with opinion rather than fact. The level of gun violence in the US compared to the UK or Australia should easily demonstrate that access to guns makes a difference. The NRA has been using the "guns don't kill people" argument for far too long.
Quote: An irresponsible person can become a threat and improvise a weapon from about anything.
I agree. However, the amount of damage they can do can vary enormously. A person with an improvised weapon is highly unlikely to do as much damage as someone with free access to high powered, fully automatic assault weapons and all the ammunition they want.
Quote: What I was trying to say is that in 60-70s people weren't even tiniest bit less safe with the guns present than nowadays with 10 times more strict control - for the very reason mentioned.
And I disagree - because there's a lot of factors involved other than the presence or absence of guns. One instance of people carrying guns in a specific situation doesn't equate to a logical comparison. Personally I think that the significant differences are that in the sixties, people respected the law and the police, while now a lot of people have little respect for either. For that matter, I think people had more respect for each other in general.
Quote: And about shooting in US- having people in the streets armed in automatic weapon and at the same time not having a school properly secured is asking for catastrophe - which recent events has proven more than enough. And no - I am not supporting a free access to the weapons- just supporting a common sense
I agree - the changes in society (at least in the US) which is sad are that (a) people feel the need to carry a gun and (b) that as a result it's necessary to blockade schools and screen anyone who goes into one.
Sorry to be off topic. I'd have taken the discussion to private messages if it weren't for the claim about "truth" above. I'll try to resist any further off topic comment and see if I can find some photos to contribute instead.