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01-26-2021, 09:07 AM - 1 Like   #16
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I definitely think it needs to start with a low barrier - I can't take night skies nor shorts with the sun straight in the picture to demonstrate the Samyang 12mm FE specialties as long as we have mostly overcast winter weather here ...

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Something I'm still not clear about... since I'd be shooting APS-C, and my widest FOV is 16mm, would that be allowed in the 20mm and less, or does it have to be <=20mm equiv.? In which case, on APS-C it would be <=13mm.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MSL Quote
Fantastic. I'm hoping a lot of people will give this a try. Since each person is limited to one entry, and there will be time for voting after entries close, hopefully we won't get a flood on day one since there's no rush to submit.

I also think there's a need for careful thinking before a person submits, especially if they have many lenses. Do you use your DA 15 for starbursts, or do you enter using the 10-17 fish eye for its unusual perspective? (FYI I own neither so I'm hoping to see examples from both lenses).
I have both, and now I have to choose 😭😭😭😭
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Something I'm still not clear about... since I'd be shooting APS-C, and my widest FOV is 16mm, would that be allowed in the 20mm and less, or does it have to be <=20mm equiv.? In which case, on APS-C it would be <=13mm.
No calculations required. This is about the lens as it is, not the body it is mounted to. So 20 and under means any fixed lens 20mm or shorter or any zoom lens being used in the range 20 or shorter. Your 16mm would be just fine.

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I have both, and now I have to choose 😭😭😭😭
That's the hard part of the challenge. Figure out which lens you want to showcase and which special aspect to highlight.


I'm not looking for the perfect image. That would be easy. I'm looking for creative genius

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Looks like more of a creative way to show off certain characteristics. I wish I had more lenses.. I know thereís hardly any chance for mine to shine, but itís fun to concentrate on something different and I will surely give it a try. Hopefully Iíll be in better position in the near future.
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Neat idea!

I'll be able to fit a lens into each of the ranges, and I'm already starting to think of creative ways to exploit the characteristics of each one. This challenge will prompt me to use several lenses that have been tucked away in the cupboard for a while. "Hello Auto-Tak Fifty-Five Eff Two, Can you come out to play?"

- Craig

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QuoteOriginally posted by MSL Quote
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I'm not looking for the perfect image. That would be easy. I'm looking for creative genius
............ Well, that's me doomed then 😱
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Well, that's me doomed then
But you've got lots of great subjects -- a castle and a canal and the Irish Sea and the river and trains and stuff -- and the DA 15 Ltd.

- Craig


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01-26-2021, 11:52 AM   #24
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Looks like more of a creative way to show off certain characteristics. I wish I had more lenses.. I know there’s hardly any chance for mine to shine, but it’s fun to concentrate on something different and I will surely give it a try. Hopefully I’ll be in better position in the near future.
More lenses is always nice (says the man who went on a shopping spree lately), but what prompted me to think about this was all the lenses I haven't touched in years largely because I was only shooting events using AF zoom lenses. Since I don't get to shoot often, a lot of my lenses will still stay neglected, and some of the heavier ones are only going to find use when I'm in the mood for a workout. So then the question is, what is the ideal time to pull out an oldie, and when would it be a bad time because it wouldn't play to its strengths. That assumes I know or can remember these things and I'm hoping to learn a lot more from everyone else's creativity. Whatever you have, it probably fits at least 3 or more categories, which is a good starting point (the 18-55 kit fits into the first 6). I also think there's features of a lens that might normally be seen as a flaw, that under the right conditions is an asset. For example, 5 blades can give a hexagonal bokeh that is usually seen as harsh, but sometimes has its place.
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Not sure about any other restrictions.
What about teleconverters? Would they be permitted and are they considered to alter the lens focal length (as they do) for the purpose of meeting the focal length of that month?

As an example someone may have the DA* 200 and the HD DA 1.4 and want to use their 280mm f4 in the 251+mm category.
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An example list made from lenses I own of lenses that fit each month’s criteria. Numbers in parentheses are reminders of the limits imposed on focal length of zooms that exceed the range that month.

February: 20 mm and smaller
Rokinon 8mm Fisheye (8)
DA 10-17
DA 12-24 (12-20)
DA 14
DA 15
DA 16-50 (16-20)
DA 18-50 (18-20)
DA 18-135 (18-20)
DA 20-40 (20)

March: 21-27 mm
DA 12-24 (21-24)
DA 16-50 (21-27)
DA 18-50 (21-27)
DA 18-135 (21-27)
DA 20-40 (21-27)

April: 28-39 mm
DA 16-50 (28-39)
DA 18-50 (28-39)
DA 18-135 (28-39)
DA 20-40 (28-29)
Sigma UC Zoom 28-70 (28-39)
FA 31
FA 35
Tokina SZ-X 35-70 (35-39)

May: 40-49 mm
DA* 16-50 (40-49)
DA 18-50 (40-49)
DA 18-135 (40-49)
DA 20-40 (40)
Sigma UC Zoom 28-70 (40-49)
Tokina SZ-X 35-70 (40-49)
DA 40

June 50 mm
DA 16-50 (50)
DA 18-50 (50)
DA 18-135 (50)
Sigma UC Zoom 28-70 (50)
Tokina SZ-X 35-70 (50)
FA 50/1.4
F 50/1.7
A 50/2
M 50/2
Nikon 50mm/2

July: 51-69 mm
DA 18-135 (51-69)
Sigma UC Zoom 28-70 (51-69)
Tokina SZ-X 35-70 (51-69)
DA* 50-135 (51-69)
DA* 55
DA 55-300 (55-69)
DA* 60-250 (60-69)

August: 70-100 mm
DA 18-135 (70-100)
Sigma UC Zoom 28-70 (70)
Tokina SZ-X 35-70 (70)
DA* 50-135 (70-100)
DA 55-300 (70-100)
DA* 60-250 (70-100)
DA 70
FA 77
D FA 100

September: 101-150 mm
DA 18-135 (101-135)
DA* 50-135 (101-135)
DA 55-300 (101-150)
DA* 60-250 (101-150)
Takumar 135/2.5

October: 151-250 mm
DA 55-300 (151-250)
DA* 60-250 (151-250)
DA* 200

November: 251+ mm
FA* 300
DA 55-300 (251-300)

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Small feedback. I think 50-55 or 45-55 would be a better way to align things than having 50 stand alone since so many 55mm lenses were shipped as "Normal" lenses. Not allowing the Takumar 55 to be in the same group as the M50 or K50 seems criminal. Likewise the DA* 55 should be in the same group.
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
Not allowing the Takumar 55 to be in the same group as the M50 or K50 seems criminal.
On the other hand, comparing 55's to 58's would also be interesting. There are many 50mm lenses, so they might deserve a slot by themselves. Either way, I'm sure that we'll see quite a few great images in this range of focal lengths.


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An example list made from lenses I own of lenses that fit each month’s criteria. Numbers in parentheses are reminders of the limits imposed on focal length of zooms that exceed the range that month.
That's a lot of lenses. You have some tough decisions to make

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Small feedback. I think 50-55 or 45-55 would be a better way to align things than having 50 stand alone since so many 55mm lenses were shipped as "Normal" lenses. Not allowing the Takumar 55 to be in the same group as the M50 or K50 seems criminal. Likewise the DA* 55 should be in the same group.

No matter how the ranges were divided there was no way to please everyone. Initially I expected this to start in March, so I had 9 divisions, and then I needed to create a 10th. I could have carved it out of several places. Is there any compelling reason why 28 and 35 are in the same range, rather than putting 35 with 40? Nope, I just sliced and diced in a way that seemed reasonable without spending forever thinking about it. If we run this again next year, we can rethink the groupings.

However, putting 50 all by itself was a deliberate choice. I do own two copies of the SMC Takumar 55/2 - a bashed up one that turns beautifully and a pristine one that is stiff to use. And I think of these like 50. But just on 50 alone, I have no shortage of choices in both primes (Tak 50/1.4, M50/1.4, A50/2, F50/1.7, FA50/2.8 macro) and zooms (35-70, 28-75, 35-105, 18-55). And I suspect most members have at least one 50 prime floating around, if not many. We all probably don't use them often enough and so I was deliberately forcing the issue.


This makes the 51-60 range more interesting, at least for primes, when you can have the 55/1.8 or 55/2 Takumars duke it out with the DA*55, as well as other oldies like the Helios 44 (58mm).



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What about teleconverters? Would they be permitted and are they considered to alter the lens focal length (as they do) for the purpose of meeting the focal length of that month?As an example someone may have the DA* 200 and the HD DA 1.4 and want to use their 280mm f4 in the 251+mm category.
That is both an excellent and really tough question. The short answer is that I would prefer not to allow teleconverters as this is really supposed to be about the lenses themselves, and the math gets all muddied as you note. If I had to allow them, I'd still put a lens+TC in the same category as the lens by itself, because I would apply the same logic to using extension tubes to do macro where I'd keep the lens in the FL category it would naturally fall into.

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On the other hand, comparing 55's to 58's would also be interesting. There are many 50mm lenses, so they might deserve a slot by themselves. Either way, I'm sure that we'll see quite a few great images in this range of focal lengths.- Craig
That was my thinking as mentioned in the original post and my more detailed reply (that I was typing out while you added yours...)
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But you've got lots of great subjects -- a castle and a canal and the Irish Sea and the river and trains and stuff -- and the DA 15 Ltd.

- Craig
Damn! Now I don't even have any excuses
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