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**clackers** · 02-08-2018, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by mattb123

But he still couldn't beat my friend Dave in the Leadville 100 in 2008! Although he came back and won in 2009. I think Dave surprised him that first race and he needed more dope for the next time!
(Olympus photo)

Sensational!

nocturnal · 02-09-2018, 04:35 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

I actually think he was relatively clean at that stage, FWIW.

When diagnosed with cancer in '96 he was introduced to EPO, which is used to keep the red blood cell count high during chemotherapy.

And we know what happened from there. A relatively modest cyclist (three Did Not Finishes and a 36th place in the Tour de France) then went on to win seven in a row.

He was doping before he got ill telling the doctors in the hospital about HGH and other stuff including EPO. Not the only doper out there, but it was the sociopathic methods he used which made him completely despicable.

He was world road champion in Norway at the age of 21, he was always a doper, probably even when an amateur. I know amateurs I raced against sometimes doped and they definitely weren't good riders whatsoever, why bother?

I don't hate him but he should stay away from cycling forever. Then again maybe so should Wiggins, Froome, Jalabert, and lots more.

That's the human race for you in every context... Deceit, lies, cheating and money is the root of all or most of it.

Sorry, getting a bit deep 😁 I'll try and upload Mr Lance sometime here and a few more.

**clackers** · 02-09-2018, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by nocturnal

He was doping before he got ill telling the doctors in the hospital about HGH and other stuff including EPO. Not the only doper out there, but it was the sociopathic methods he used which made him completely despicable.

He was world road champion in Norway at the age of 21, he was always a doper, probably even when an amateur. I know amateurs I raced against sometimes doped and they definitely weren't good riders whatsoever, why bother?

I don't hate him but he should stay away from cycling forever. Then again maybe so should Wiggins, Froome, Jalabert, and lots more.

That's the human race for you in every context... Deceit, lies, cheating and money is the root of all or most of it.

Sorry, getting a bit deep

I'll try and upload Mr Lance sometime here and a few more.

Agree with virtually everything you say, Nocturnal. Sad, isn't it?

**mattb123** · 02-09-2018, 02:01 PM

Doping ruined pro cycling for me. I pay a little attention now and then but I'm not the fan I used to be.

---------- Post added 02-09-18 at 02:03 PM ----------

But I still like Jens! Seems like a nice guy which is important to me.

stevebrot · 02-09-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by mattb123

But he still couldn't beat my friend Dave in the Leadville 100 in 2008!

I remember that race. It made the news out here because of the Armstrong loss.

Steve

**mattb123** · 02-09-2018, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I remember that race. It made the news out here because of the Armstrong loss.

Steve

It was glorious! Dave also beat Floyd Landis the previous year. That 2008 race was the last of his six race winning streak at Leadville.
Now he is the director of IMBA (International Mountain Bike Association).

**paulh** · 02-23-2018, 09:14 AM - **1 Like**

half a bicycle? ...but you can't beat the simplicity - no chain, brakes, derailleur, just 100% fun

**jmschrei** · 03-13-2018, 11:29 AM - **2 Likes**

Kolkata, India — tricycle delivery driver

**noelcmn** · 03-14-2018, 12:02 PM

**Crooski** · 03-14-2018, 12:10 PM

Scan and ride

**paulh** · 03-15-2018, 08:57 AM

neglected bike...

**mattb123** · 03-16-2018, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by paulh

neglected bike...

Poor thing!

**clackers** · 03-18-2018, 06:28 PM - **3 Likes**

K-1 at the Australian National Road Championships:

MarkJerling · 03-18-2018, 07:58 PM - **1 Like**

Nice shots clackers! I've been shooting local races too - Wellington Central region road race. Nationals are in April.

**mattb123** · 03-18-2018, 10:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

K-1 at the Australian National Road Championships:

Nice, love the last one and of course the wheelie.
That reminded me of this in a hard local Gran Fondo, The West Elk Classic. This guy is my hero.

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02-08-2018, 07:43 PM	#1621
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by mattb123 But he still couldn't beat my friend Dave in the Leadville 100 in 2008! Although he came back and won in 2009. I think Dave surprised him that first race and he needed more dope for the next time! (Olympus photo) Sensational!

02-09-2018, 04:35 AM - 1 Like	#1622
nocturnal Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 506	Originally posted by clackers I actually think he was relatively clean at that stage, FWIW. When diagnosed with cancer in '96 he was introduced to EPO, which is used to keep the red blood cell count high during chemotherapy. And we know what happened from there. A relatively modest cyclist (three Did Not Finishes and a 36th place in the Tour de France) then went on to win seven in a row. He was doping before he got ill telling the doctors in the hospital about HGH and other stuff including EPO. Not the only doper out there, but it was the sociopathic methods he used which made him completely despicable. He was world road champion in Norway at the age of 21, he was always a doper, probably even when an amateur. I know amateurs I raced against sometimes doped and they definitely weren't good riders whatsoever, why bother? I don't hate him but he should stay away from cycling forever. Then again maybe so should Wiggins, Froome, Jalabert, and lots more. That's the human race for you in every context... Deceit, lies, cheating and money is the root of all or most of it. Sorry, getting a bit deep 😁 I'll try and upload Mr Lance sometime here and a few more.

02-09-2018, 01:22 PM	#1623
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by nocturnal He was doping before he got ill telling the doctors in the hospital about HGH and other stuff including EPO. Not the only doper out there, but it was the sociopathic methods he used which made him completely despicable. He was world road champion in Norway at the age of 21, he was always a doper, probably even when an amateur. I know amateurs I raced against sometimes doped and they definitely weren't good riders whatsoever, why bother? I don't hate him but he should stay away from cycling forever. Then again maybe so should Wiggins, Froome, Jalabert, and lots more. That's the human race for you in every context... Deceit, lies, cheating and money is the root of all or most of it. Sorry, getting a bit deep I'll try and upload Mr Lance sometime here and a few more. Agree with virtually everything you say, Nocturnal. Sad, isn't it?

02-09-2018, 02:01 PM	#1624
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	Doping ruined pro cycling for me. I pay a little attention now and then but I'm not the fan I used to be. ---------- Post added 02-09-18 at 02:03 PM ---------- But I still like Jens! Seems like a nice guy which is important to me.

02-09-2018, 02:49 PM	#1625
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by mattb123 But he still couldn't beat my friend Dave in the Leadville 100 in 2008! I remember that race. It made the news out here because of the Armstrong loss. Steve

02-09-2018, 03:17 PM	#1626
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	Originally posted by stevebrot I remember that race. It made the news out here because of the Armstrong loss. Steve It was glorious! Dave also beat Floyd Landis the previous year. That 2008 race was the last of his six race winning streak at Leadville. Now he is the director of IMBA (International Mountain Bike Association).

02-23-2018, 09:14 AM - 1 Like	#1627
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03-15-2018, 08:57 AM	#1631
paulh Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: DFW Texas/Ventura County, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 33,258	neglected bike...

03-16-2018, 02:25 PM	#1632
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	Originally posted by paulh neglected bike... Poor thing!

03-18-2018, 06:28 PM - 3 Likes	#1633
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	K-1 at the Australian National Road Championships:

03-18-2018, 10:11 PM - 1 Like	#1635
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	Originally posted by clackers K-1 at the Australian National Road Championships: Nice, love the last one and of course the wheelie. That reminded me of this in a hard local Gran Fondo, The West Elk Classic. This guy is my hero.

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