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06-21-2009, 05:56 PM   #16
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thanks for the suggestion but I'm an all in kinda guy. Not frustrated at all...actually I am in awe of what I have been missing over the past year.

I would rather have a great body (but a pear is still a shape so technically I am "in shape", right? ) and 2, maybe three, great lenses than a body I was not really sold on last year when comparing to the 40D...but knowing what I do now and seeing the amazing results people here are getting with the K20D, I might add one later when they drop a bit more in price...once the reach the $400-$450 area I think it's a no brainer if I decide I want two bodies.

I would expect the micro focus adjustments would not be exclusive to the DA lines because there is room for 20 (if I recall correctly) lenses...that is more than are currently offered on the Pentax site in total. And I doubt they will be adding another 10 lenses to the DA line over the coming couple years. Of course some folks might have multiple copies of the same lens and adjust them differently...still it's the sheer number of lenses which can be stored that makes me believe that limitation is not there. It also can save on calibration warranty service repairs so they can, oh forgive me for this one (yeah, I pun...sorry), they can "focus" on the more important repairs which cannot be handled in-camera by the end user.

Plus as you say, there is so much legacy glass that one sure way to sour the market on the body is to make a move counter the the primary reason many choose Pentax over other brands...legacy glass...and micro focus adjustments should be doable for those lenses. The body might not automagically recognize the lens when mounted but it should be possible to manually select from the stored adjustments list. Of course that is in a perfect world. hehehehe...

I decided that I will just either borrow my neighbor's 50D ( I know better than to ask for the keys to the just as new 5D MkII...hehehehe) this next week or pass completely on our annual festival (I own one of the sites dedicated to the event and usually get around 2000-3000 shots over 4-days) and instead snap off a few shots with my old PnS's to show it happened and instead actually work on the shots from last year...it's a hobby that generates zero income so it gets put on the bottom of the pile for now...one day in the future though...ya never know!!

Now, I should have the new gear for the Dog Show next month and that is my FAVORITE event...big Deer and Wolf Hounds as well as the sweetest Suruki's (who knew I would just adore them...I am a golden retriever sorta guy)...but I spend 10-12hrs/day just watching the dawgs or even getting to babysit one now and then while the handler/owner needs to run an errand. Just a blast of an event that I look forward too more than about anything.

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"I believe - not 100% sure - that the K-7 will only allow focus adjustments for DA lenses and other equally recent lenses."


You can do microfocus adjustments on I believe all autofocus lenses for the Pentax K20 and I imagine the K-7 works the same way. At least it has worked on my FA lenses. It's probably even useable on non Pentax autofocus lenses, but you'd have to check on that to be sure.

I think what you may be thinking about lc_toronto is the new distortion/chromatic aberration adjustment for the K-7. This only applies to the DA and D-FA lenses as you said.

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Here's a suggestion:

I really do appreciate what you're going through and why you want to jump into the Pentax ocean right this minute. But consider these alternatives: buy a 2nd hand Pentax for say $200 (one of the somewhat older models at perhaps 6MPixels). This will give you very comparable quality to the K20D and K-7 - at least for that event. Then you are free to wait for the K-7. Later you may decide you like having the spare body, or sell it. Or, keep your 40D that you are familiar with for that event, then go for the K20 / K-7.

I believe - not 100% sure - that the K-7 will only allow focus adjustments for DA lenses and other equally recent lenses. In which case all those thrift - shops lenses - some of which could give you absolutely marvelous IQ - might not be adjustable. I may be wrong about this because there may be firmware tricks or future firmware upgrades (in case Pentax gets a wave of complaints that makes it backtrack on this decision geared perhaps to have us upgrade our lenses in exchange of hard-won pennies uh many dollars). Others on this forum surely know the answer at least to the first scenario (tricks). Second scenario (backtrack) probably highly unlikely.
Let me be BLUNT...I freaking HATE YOU...hahahaha....it's offically YOUR FAULT...read and see why..

OK....I admit it...I am a weak, weak guy...I can't deal with having the lenses and no body to mount them on...so I just bought a K20D. Worst case, I sell it once the K-7 is released...or not and keep it as a 2nd body...sigh.

The whole danged trigger was the fact they FA 77mm got here and it is just too cool for words.

And thanks to lc_toronto putting the whole idea in my head...I HAD TO BUY TODAY. Thanks to Amazon Prime it will be here Friday. Just remember I KNOW WHERE YOU POST...hehehehe...thanks for putting the thought in my head. I keep thinking there might be some issues with the K7 out of the shoot (not a knock on Pentax but rather just how any tech device seems to work these days...the new firmware is almost always flaky on pretty much most devices.)

I also sense the K20D is about as low as it will drop retail new right now. So why not...even if I sell it in 2-3 months, it is cheaper than a rental. Plus I get to play with me new lenses...that FA 77mm and the 35mm Macro are just SCREAMING at me to play.
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The whole danged trigger was the fact they FA 77mm got here and it is just too cool for words.
So you're blaming your weakness on the FA 77mm f1.8 Limited? Sounds like a story I've heard before on this forum...

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So you're blaming your weakness on the FA 77mm f1.8 Limited? Sounds like a story I've heard before on this forum...

Welcome to our world - let us take you to our dealer.

So, the first hit is free?

BTW, I am sorta concered with Amazon...for some reason they changed the delivery estimate to MONDAY...bastages!! I know it can happen but, that is below average. sigh...I need a fix...

Really, I am blown away by this gem of a lens in the FA77mm. It is so tiny and the hood is great. Plus the feel of the build quality is just so far beyond what I have been used to it's scary. The DA* 50-150 is outstanding as well, but the idea of the build, the IQ and focal length of the 77mm is too much for me to describe, it might never leave the camera.
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BTW It's a DA* 50-135mm, not 150mm. BUT WHO CARES? The image quality is FANTASTIC!!!

But I still love, adore, and worship my 77mm Ltd. I took it on a cruise to Alaska recently to show my appreciation. My wife came along too.
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BTW It's a DA* 50-135mm, not 150mm. BUT WHO CARES? The image quality is FANTASTIC!!!

But I still love, adore, and worship my 77mm Ltd. I took it on a cruise to Alaska recently to show my appreciation. My wife came along too.
i knew that...it sez so right on the box...hahahaha...d'oh!! {actually I fixed the typo and it still looked wrong but I posted anyway, I originally typed 50-150...sigh... )

Very thoughtful of you to bring the wifely unit along to AK. Does she fully understand how much fun she is going to have because she gets to hold the reflectors and strobes?

I had to settle for a silver 77mm and thought, I left freaking white lenses to get something more subtle and all I get is SILVER...ummmm...how wrong I was, it is a super finish and coloring. Now, I will put my foot down on lenses with 18" letters spelling PENTAX around the hood...I won't even wear shirts with logo's or something like that...now if they wanna use that to subsidise the price of the gear, or at least cover fuel & transportation costs, they can tattoo it on my forehead (I mean not like I have to look at it for more than a few moments in the mornings... )

I am fighting being the cliche and naming it "Precious"...besides if I do, it might confuse the better 2/3's she might get the idea I am actually cooing at her.
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Man, you are a hoot !

The first 2 lenses I bought for my 2.5 month old K20 were the 77 and DA 35. At that point you know you are already a ways down the slippery slope. In my home there is now a bunch of other glass next to them, all competing to get into the bag for the day. It's going to take me a long time to get to know all these ladies inside out.

Once you will have taken your first few dozen pictures with the 77 (and the 35) you will have slipped even further down the chute to LBA hell (or heaven, as you please).

A friend here lent me the 50-135 to take pictures of a track and field event two weeks ago whose highlight was a 100 meter sprint including Usain Bolt (and other first-rate sprinters). What a great lens!

But I see you have not bitten just yet into my other suggestion: v o i g t l a n d e r
Can you hear lady 125 whisper in your ear?
When that deed is done you can truly start hating me . . .
Who needs a 125 manual focus when they're going out with the 50/135 star? (This last bit is not meant to be helpful :-)

My excuse is simple: you were asking for it.

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Since you are wondering about lenses... Here are a few threads with pictures taken using various lenses... Be warned going through these threads will make your LBA levels reach wallet-threatening porportions...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31601-takumar-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31353-off-brand-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/50994-m42-crew.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/27739-m-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/36041-zeiss-zk...-thoughts.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/32688-dcl-dirt...lens-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31430-soviet-lenses-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/59538-fa-limited-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/33549-fisheye-...ye-photos.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31955-tammy-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/32801-club.html
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/29948-k-club.html

Now I encourage you to obsessively monitor Craigslist, Ebay and local shops for all the "hidden gems" you can horde...ummm.... I mean find...

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! MUAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! <-- Super Villan laugh...
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brecklundin, yes yes...visit those threads that were suggested by MrApollinax that you should read. if you want to know a lot of the hidden treasures that you could plunder....I meant find using a Pentax camera. imagine the many cheap and beautiful Pentax (in danger of getting expensive) and 3rd party lenses that are suitable for Pentax camera are readily available for you. the marketing success of Canikon has blinded you from the reality that there are other great lenses that are better and cheaper than the Big Two.

Imagine that you could stockpile a lot of these gems rather than a limited buy on a few Canikon lenses. as the famous saying goes " why make Trillions when you can make BILLIONS !!!"

1 pentax limited lens, 2 vivitar 105 macro, 3 jupiter 9 lens, 4 Super Takumar lens, 5 FA star lens, 6 DA star lens, 7 A* lens, 8 Voightlander lens, 9 Soviet made lens, 10 other brand lens! 10 Pentax compatible lenses ! AH A A A A A AH (with lightning and thunder background) !!!

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Welcome and hope you enjoy the K20D. I was waffling between it and the 40D when I got it a year or so ago. Ended up jumping ship in the other direction later, but have lots of respect for the Pentax gear.

Out of curiosity, what didn't you like about the 40D? I picked up a 50D recently for wildlife stuff, and so far have nothing but praise for it. I know it's pretty different from the 40D, but still, wonder if there's something I am overlooking.
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DUDE...awesome set of links...I found a lot of the treads here, like the LimitedClub but the others are somewhat new to me...cool,, more lens porn for my LBA!!
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Man, you are a hoot !

The first 2 lenses I bought for my 2.5 month old K20 were the 77 and DA 35. At that point you know you are already a ways down the slippery slope. In my home there is now a bunch of other glass next to them, all competing to get into the bag for the day. It's going to take me a long time to get to know all these ladies inside out.

Once you will have taken your first few dozen pictures with the 77 (and the 35) you will have slipped even further down the chute to LBA hell (or heaven, as you please).

A friend here lent me the 50-135 to take pictures of a track and field event two weeks ago whose highlight was a 100 meter sprint including Usain Bolt (and other first-rate sprinters). What a great lens!

But I see you have not bitten just yet into my other suggestion: v o i g t l a n d e r
Can you hear lady 125 whisper in your ear?
When that deed is done you can truly start hating me . . .
Who needs a 125 manual focus when they're going out with the 50/135 star? (This last bit is not meant to be helpful :-)

My excuse is simple: you were asking for it.
hahahaha...glad I can offer some light-hearted fun! Really, that is me...just visit to have a good time.

I love the build on my DA* 50-135mm...cannot wait to use it too...but I expect most of my first few days will beusing the 77ltd and the 35ltd Macro as well. I just still cannot get over the look and feel of the 77ltd...it just has that feel of buing built for serious fun with just enough of a wicked & norty side to keep me chasing her...

As for the V O I G H T L A N D E R...I ignored that one ON PURPOSE...I do have to eat at least a couple days a week...hehehehe...

It's fun that you all have mentioned the legacy lenses. I spent most of yesterday researching some of the longer tele's. A few grand for a high end new tele is not in the budget, well, ever, a but a few hundred for an old 400mm or 300mm f/2.8 or even f/4 is certainly possible. And a hundred bucks or so for a 200mm f/2.8 is without a doubt in the cards.

I grew up in the antiques biz as the family biz...I run it now and scrounging for deals is, well, in my nature. We have a couple very good charity thrift shops down the road which always have had bins of old gear that I knew had to be of use...now I can drag along a body and test the lenses right in the store. I think the highest I ever found a lens was about $20. I get my old flashes for wireless off camera use for around $5-$8...my 285HV was just either $8 or $9...my old Vivitar 273 was $4.95 and is perfect for the DIY lightbar/box I built for about $0.25.

I love all the suggestions about lenses too...keep them coming it will give me more info about what to hunt for...in fact legacy glass was one of the reasons I made the switch. It is just taking time to assimilate the nomenclature and develop an understanding of the lexicon for Pentax.

I LOVE LENS PORN to satiate my LBA!! Gimme....MORE!!!
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Welcome and hope you enjoy the K20D. I was waffling between it and the 40D when I got it a year or so ago. Ended up jumping ship in the other direction later, but have lots of respect for the Pentax gear.

Out of curiosity, what didn't you like about the 40D? I picked up a 50D recently for wildlife stuff, and so far have nothing but praise for it. I know it's pretty different from the 40D, but still, wonder if there's something I am overlooking.
Hey Ya....nice to meet you. To be honest there is NOTHINIG wrong with my 40D. It's a great body and very easy to use. But, the limitations that bother me are I had to settle last year for a body that is not sealed from the elements. That is a really important thing where I live and travel. More for dust than moisture but moisture and water are also in play some days.

And what finally got to me was that Canon already DC'd the 40D. That happened, unofficially as far as I can tell, a few weeks back. That means no firmware changes or anything. If I am going to get what amounts to very short term support I see no compelling reason to stick with a brand that charges a premium for the name on the front.

Also, the most recent HUGE price increases on lenses is insane. I understand all mfg's had to increase prices for the first time in ages, but not to the degree Canon increased lenses. So unless I want used w/o the paltry 1-yr warranty from Canon on a $1000+ lens, I have to spend big bucks for the longer fast IS lenses. Moving to Pentax solves that problem if I am willing to live with some feature compromises to use older MF primes that are still perfectly nice and will give shots near enough to the $1500-$1700 70-200 f2.8 IS that the savings pays the bills for a couple months.

Last there is something about the look of Pentax shots that I find nice. To my eye the shots are richer in color as well as have more of that film look than Canon. It seems to me the mindset on bigger brand shooters is agonizing over the perfectly sharp shot vs. getting shots which cause the viewer to react to the subject and composition. I do know the shots form my 40D have been amazing and like I said, I LOVE the thing...but, the K-7 adds everything I wanted in a body when shopping last year. I only chose the 40D by an eyelash over the K20D even with the high ISO noise issue. it really came down to the Liveview on the K20D is pretty primitive compared to the 40D and above.

But it's all a matter of compromise. For example your 50D pretty much MUST have higher end glass to take advantage of the sensor. And to be honest it was not enough of an upgrade over the 40D to warrant a move for me...in reality with the announcement made perfect sense to move to Pentax. I really do not see Canon adding weather sealing to the xxD line for years to come. And a 5D MkII is well over my comfort zone cost wise. Plus it's level of sealing does not look to be near even the K20D.

For me the K20D is a bridge to the K-7 so, I can live with the areas which need improvement and learn to work with them while waiting for the missed bugs being shaken loose from the K-7 over then next couple months.

BTW, video is NOT a compelling feature for me at all. Still if it is there, I can see I might play with it. The examples I have viewed on YouTube are pretty impressive, I would say they are on par with the 5D MkII.

The last issue is my hands are getting quite problematic and the weight of the better IS lenses is just too much these days. And I NEED IS for anything over about 150mm...Pentax does address that nicely.
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btw, I thought it important to add about why I am making the switch. I may be a silly guy these days, well, always, but also I am a guy who was, and still am occasionally for old clients, a pretty well regarded network designer and troubleshooting type guy, so I have a pretty serious side when it comes to work. I just am playful whenever I can get away with it. Often people take my goofy side for lack of depth in how I do things...until the get to know me and see it's like there are two sides to me...my fun silly side and the all business "...get out of my way and do it the way I told you because I am right...and get paid more than you..." side...hehehehe...I try and keep Jeckle in check though...hence no more than 600-work hours/yr for consulting anymore. Over that and I get too stressed. I would rather sell the antiques and junk on my own terms...so, I play with photography and try not to turn my hobby into work.

I fully know there are compromises with the Pentax bodies and lenses as well. I don't have a Pollyanna view of things. There will also be frustrations as I try and adjust from having three custom settings/configurations I could save to only one on the K20D and it looks like the same on the K7. Also I will miss the ease of access to the custom config on the AF-ON, AE-LOCK and the third button on the xxD bodies. Moving AF to the "*" button and off of the shutter button is pure genius. And I am sure ML is going to be a bit different as well, and I depend on Liveview and ML a LOT for my product shots...hence I KNOW I will move too the K7 as soon as it feels right.

I also sense that the SDHC cards are slower overall than the CF cards even though the bottle neck in both cases write-wise is the camera itself. Still, I feel more confident in the durability of a CF card. They are tried and true and very well made. I have had far fewer SDHC cards than CF cards and have had far more, ok three (3) out of about 20, SDHC cards fail in service vs. no CF cards ever failing.

So, I do realize nothing is perfect...but I am completely amazed by the lenses I have so far, well, I live fondling them anyway...hehehehe...TOMORROW I will have the K20D, I just got the shipping notice from Amazon...they did ship it today!! YIPPIE!!

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