This is fun...everyone is being so great...thanks!
I am not sure but I think I will replace the 10-20 with the 12-24. From the samples I've viewed it's very solid plus it's much faster than the current Sigma and no telling when the 10-20 f/3.5 will actually hit the shelves or what it's gonna cost. I know the extra 2mm is worth a lot of FOV (about 10-degrees on a 1.5x crop like the K7/Kx0D bodies. But it's only a few steps backward, I haven;t run the calc on that but it's close enough. For me the UWA's are for pure fun with no real purpose beyond my own entertainment.
lc_toronto: The 10-20 is a super fun lens on the 1.6x crop sensor bodies. At the wide end there is almost too much distortion for my likes but I have "...learned to love the bomb..." I guess. But as I mention above, the 12-24 looks just great in terms of sample shots and tests.
One thing I do not do is measurebate, not even in private when nobody is watching. I look at the numbers, they give a fair overall idea of what something might be like and if there is anything horrid to look for in a lens. Beyond a reference, I never look at that too much...so, I prefer to condier the results over the "best" numbers run out there by the cronic measurebators out there.
Still if not for them, where would be be?
Originally posted by lc_toronto Welcome.
I shot a canon FTb QL for many years since the late 70s, then a canon A1 for the last 5.
I thought my first DSLR was going to be the 40D, but didn't compare brands - don't really know why - because I'd set my eyes on the 60mm EF-S macro lens. Bought the 40D off craigslist, but to be honest, felt no 'magic'. Played with it for a couple of weeks (had also bought the 10-20 sigma off craigslist by then.
Came across Pentax and went to handle a K20 in the store. Sold the 40D and two lenses and never looked back. I'm not saying the 40D is not an excellent camera - just didn't do it for me for some reason.
That EF-S 60mm macro is a very sweet lens so I can see how it could convince a person to go with the Canon brand. Plus, well, it's Canon and even though Pentax has been around at least as long, they sort of seem like a brand-x these days because they don't spend the fat cash, at least here in the US, on advertizing. So, in comparison to Nikon and Canon it's harder for them. I actually like that they are not the first gear people thing of...it puts them in more of a position to make the cameras we all want not just trivial variations on a theme. And yeah, I get the irony in what I just wrote because from a certain POV the K7 could be considered just a variation of the Kx0D line. But they have to have a reference point somewhere and the K20/K10 are not bad places to begin.
I really do agree about the 40D...but I was and AM very happy with it. But, there is something that never felt like Canon put a lot of work into the body, rather they made something just good enough to lure people to want a more complete body. Sort of like that carrot on the end of a stick thing. I have a laundry list of what I am not thrilled with but, really, it's a very good body and I LOVE my lenses.
Quote: Plus, as soon as I became aware of some of the K20 features I hoped I would like it in hand: weather sealing, in body shake reduction (I use it all the time except on tripod or stable surfaces, as everyone else here probably does), the lens line-up from 50 years of Pentax, the lens line-up from other brands (infinite possibilities), here something for your LBA: v o i g t l a n d e r, micro AF adjustments for each lens, and some other nifty thing besides. Oh, and for me the fact you get in body multiple exposure is a big deal for certain photos - didn't expect it but used to do it reasonably often on film.
LBA and the Pentax could be a VERY scary combo for me...these days I pretty much just stick to the antiques market having grown up around it...soooo, I end up hunting in a few of the actually very nice charity thrift stores we have in the area. One of which ALWAYS has a nice selection of lenses, mostly older of course...but if I have a body that can mount almost anyon...errr....anything, I might just end up with my own plastic bin full of old lenses. My better half is no help here either...see she encourages me to have these things...and honestly she never gives me any grief over it all. So, I don't even have the luxury of that as a deterrent...hahahaha....
Other than the weather sealing...the
MF adjustment is one of the other features I really have been wanting. And I hate to admitt this, I never even paid attention to that feature in the k20D when I looked at it last summer. I guess I was supposed to not buy it then and instead wait for the K7 to HOPEFULLY be all I was looking for to begin with...
Quote: Re the noise. You said the right thing: with Pentax is about given you the freedom to deal with it in PP. But, honestly, the level of noise is not bad at all right out of the body.
That was what I did not fully appreciate last summer. I did not have the time with digital to see the RAW images and actually note the difference. last night I really looked at the detail retained by the Pentax. I looked at the reviews on DPReview and combined with the samples they have there for the K20D I was able to really notice the detail retention. And of course if I want the body does give the option of doing various levels of pre-processing to potentially save on post.
Quote: FUN...more links to pour over...or is the become "poor" over?
....wanna know a secret? I think if the K7 was out NOW, all my Canon gear would prolly be up for sale today. I did at least promise myself I would sell it all before buying the new body. I figure it can all be gone in under a week so it's not like that is a big deal...plus there is no chance to rationalize keeping BOTH sets of gear...hehehehe....but right now I do really think I should have trusted the tiny voice in my head and gone right back into Pentax like I did way back when. Live and learn, right?
I have noticed that I really like the colors produced, consistently to my eye, from the Pentax bodies. Somehow it has more of the look of depth I only see from Canon FF bodies.