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01-01-2011, 12:26 PM   #1
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Abuse of the term "NIB" (New In Box)

Another suggestion I've pondered for awhile - and one I see a frequent rise in problems related to.

Problem: Abuse of the term "New In Box" by sellers on the Marketplace. Say, for example, a seller wishes to sell his DFA 100mm macro lens that has been lightly used for the last year in his/her garden. The seller, knowing he may resell said lens later, keeps the box, paperwork, bags, inserts, etc. that the lens came with. After 'cleaning' the lens up for his/her sale pictures; the seller describes his item as "New In Box" and describes it as such ... without mention of use. He/she leads buyers to believe that this is, in fact, a 'new' lens - describing it as NIB, failing to apply the Marketplace condition list, and conveniently not mentioning that the lens is used. The act of putting it back in it's original box neither makes the lens new, nor "New In Box".

Solution: Enforcement of the marketplace condition rating system - and an elimination of the term "New In Box" from listings. It's either new, or it's used; the use of the term NIB is deceptive and intended to push resale value.

Rationale: Marketplace trust and legitimacy. When a buyer purchases a "NIB" lens - and opens it to find obvious signs of use on the mount; they will, and should, hand out a negative rating. This cycle hurts trust between buyers and sellers in this small community, and benefits transient sellers interested only in profit.

01-01-2011, 12:49 PM   #2
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I completely agree and it is currently agaist marketplace policy to classify an item as such without an accompanying description.

Our rating scale (see the sticky) has new and like new. It's fine to use lnib as that goes by the scale, since ln doesn't require there to be a box. However, just nib is ambiguous/redundant since items in the "new" condition need to come with the box, while including a box doesn't necessarily guarantee pristine condition.

Please report any mis-classified items and the moderators will take care of them.
01-01-2011, 07:31 PM   #3
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Will do - glad you noticed this as well.

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