News New Marketplace Policy Regarding Payments

Adam · 10-03-2012, 12:34 PM - **4 Likes**

To all our Marketplace sellers: please be advised that updates (shown in bold) have recently been made to our Marketplace listing regulations in order to keep our Marketplace safe and to comply with PayPal policies.

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An asking price or price range must be posted (you may ask for a best offer in addition to your stated price, however) You may not solicit payment to be made via PayPal as a gift. We strongly discourage buyers from accepting offers that request gift payments.

Sellers typically ask for gift (also known as personal) payments in order to avoid being charged a transaction fee by PayPal. By sending gift payments, buyers surrender their right to PayPal Buyer Protection for that particular transaction and consequently limit the number of things that can be done in the event of a dispute.

All future Marketplace listings must be in compliance with this new rule to avoid risking deletion by the site staff.

Adam
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**dadipentak** · 10-03-2012, 05:09 PM

Amen.

**germar** · 10-03-2012, 06:05 PM

This is a good call and a positive improvement. Thank you.

**Canada_Rockies** · 10-03-2012, 07:23 PM

Good move, Adam. Thanks.

stormtech · 10-03-2012, 07:56 PM

Agree with all above comments - thank you for implementing this Adam!

**Cee Cee** · 10-03-2012, 10:42 PM

good move, ...... buyers should also be aware if you do make payment as a gift the PayPal fees come back to you (ie. get charged to your PayPal account)

**newmikey** · 10-03-2012, 10:47 PM

Excellent! I always regarded items labeled as such as seller-imposed scams, good to see it banned! Thanks!

Malsi · 10-03-2012, 11:01 PM

Great!

**davidreilly3207** · 10-03-2012, 11:11 PM

Would also like you to ban asking for the 3% paypal fee above the purchase price. This is a violation of PayPal's terms.

LowVoltage · 10-03-2012, 11:41 PM

Whenever possible I've used PayPal's "send an invoice" feature because it eliminates the Gift option. I also like it because it keeps the paperwork nice and tidy. Sometimes, though, it adds an extra step of telling the buyer they need to wait for the invoice to arrive in their email, and many times those buyers are chomping at the bit to get the payment done. I've had several potential buyers PM me with "I want your lens! Give me your PayPal address so I can send the money!" before waiting to find out if they are even the first person to approach me about the sale.

Anyway, thank you, Adam, for enacting this rule. (Now I have the Jimmy Fallon Thank-You-Notes piano tune stuck in my head.)

NKK · 10-03-2012, 11:57 PM

Good move - the best for both parts in the end.

selar · 10-04-2012, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by mdave13

Would also like you to ban asking for the 3% paypal fee above the purchase price. This is a violation of PayPal's terms.

+1 I'd like to see this banned as well.

vonBaloney · 10-04-2012, 02:06 AM

Yeah, I send invoices. The best way to go because it is clear what it being sold, and you can list in writing return terms, etc. If you aren't worried about the buyer scamming you, it also allows the buyer to pay with a credit card without even having a PayPal account. However, I insist that they do (generally, unless I decide to trust them for whatever reason) because I like to get the full seller protection you get by shipping to a verified address.

**Pentakumar** · 10-04-2012, 03:13 AM

Thank you!

**G_Money** · 10-04-2012, 03:14 AM

I understand the concern. But what if the buyer and seller were both well-known, to each other and the forum at large? Perhaps they have had transactions with each other in the past without problem. Why shouldn't the seller offer a price reduction to the buyer, if the buyer is willing to assume the risk that the only problems would be because of shipping, which would be covered by insurance? I don't have a horse in this race, I've never had a gift transaction, but I don't think they're necessarily the sign of a scammer.

10-03-2012, 12:34 PM - 4 Likes	#1
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,608	New Marketplace Policy Regarding Payments To all our Marketplace sellers: please be advised that updates (shown in bold) have recently been made to our Marketplace listing regulations in order to keep our Marketplace safe and to comply with PayPal policies. Quote: An asking price or price range must be posted (you may ask for a best offer in addition to your stated price, however) You may not solicit payment to be made via PayPal as a gift. We strongly discourage buyers from accepting offers that request gift payments. Sellers typically ask for gift (also known as personal) payments in order to avoid being charged a transaction fee by PayPal. By sending gift payments, buyers surrender their right to PayPal Buyer Protection for that particular transaction and consequently limit the number of things that can be done in the event of a dispute. All future Marketplace listings must be in compliance with this new rule to avoid risking deletion by the site staff. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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10-03-2012, 05:09 PM	#2
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Amen.

10-03-2012, 06:05 PM	#3
germar Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Palm Beach, Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 728	This is a good call and a positive improvement. Thank you.

10-03-2012, 07:23 PM	#4
Canada_Rockies Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sparwood, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,385	Good move, Adam. Thanks.

10-03-2012, 07:56 PM	#5
stormtech Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: In the boonies (NW Penna) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,744	Agree with all above comments - thank you for implementing this Adam!

10-03-2012, 10:42 PM	#6
Cee Cee Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Glenroy, Melbourne Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,441	good move, ...... buyers should also be aware if you do make payment as a gift the PayPal fees come back to you (ie. get charged to your PayPal account)

10-03-2012, 10:47 PM	#7
newmikey Site Supporter Join Date: May 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,289	Excellent! I always regarded items labeled as such as seller-imposed scams, good to see it banned! Thanks!

10-03-2012, 11:01 PM	#8
Malsi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Versailles Posts: 298	Great!

10-03-2012, 11:11 PM	#9
davidreilly3207 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Jersey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 720	Would also like you to ban asking for the 3% paypal fee above the purchase price. This is a violation of PayPal's terms.

10-03-2012, 11:41 PM	#10
LowVoltage Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mount Joy, PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 544	Whenever possible I've used PayPal's "send an invoice" feature because it eliminates the Gift option. I also like it because it keeps the paperwork nice and tidy. Sometimes, though, it adds an extra step of telling the buyer they need to wait for the invoice to arrive in their email, and many times those buyers are chomping at the bit to get the payment done. I've had several potential buyers PM me with "I want your lens! Give me your PayPal address so I can send the money!" before waiting to find out if they are even the first person to approach me about the sale. Anyway, thank you, Adam, for enacting this rule. (Now I have the Jimmy Fallon Thank-You-Notes piano tune stuck in my head.)

10-03-2012, 11:57 PM	#11
NKK Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Malmö, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 583	Good move - the best for both parts in the end.

10-04-2012, 12:43 AM	#12
selar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,042	Originally posted by mdave13 Would also like you to ban asking for the 3% paypal fee above the purchase price. This is a violation of PayPal's terms. +1 I'd like to see this banned as well.

10-04-2012, 02:06 AM	#13
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Yeah, I send invoices. The best way to go because it is clear what it being sold, and you can list in writing return terms, etc. If you aren't worried about the buyer scamming you, it also allows the buyer to pay with a credit card without even having a PayPal account. However, I insist that they do (generally, unless I decide to trust them for whatever reason) because I like to get the full seller protection you get by shipping to a verified address.

10-04-2012, 03:13 AM	#14
Pentakumar Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 174	Thank you!

10-04-2012, 03:14 AM	#15
G_Money Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 598	I understand the concern. But what if the buyer and seller were both well-known, to each other and the forum at large? Perhaps they have had transactions with each other in the past without problem. Why shouldn't the seller offer a price reduction to the buyer, if the buyer is willing to assume the risk that the only problems would be because of shipping, which would be covered by insurance? I don't have a horse in this race, I've never had a gift transaction, but I don't think they're necessarily the sign of a scammer.