Suggestion A "Hater" system, just like the like system

Not a Number · 08-18-2013, 07:19 PM

Bad idea. "Reputation" ratings more often than not devolve into bash fests where one clique will start "hating" another clique and just "hate" everything they post.

If you want a "hater" system allow people to "like" or "hate" a post and simple show the number of likes vs hates on a post and show the grand total number of "likes" vs "hates" a member has cast on their profile summary.

The profile summary now shows total posts and likes just add hates and leave it at that. Draw your own conclusion from the numbers rather than an actual rating/reputation. Of course someone can always offset their "hate" count by "liking" posts. No system is going to be perfect.

mrNewt · 08-18-2013, 07:22 PM

I hate this thread

Old Man · 08-18-2013, 07:51 PM

No need to have a haters button, just overload them with kindness until they pop a gasket.

pinholecam · 08-18-2013, 07:56 PM

We should also have a 'Lover' option.

And while we are at it, all the K01 and Q folks deserve a free 'lover' tag for sticking to their cameras despite all the 'hate'

normhead · 08-19-2013, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by mrNewt

I hate this thread

That's the spirit, now don't you wish you had a special "hater place" to say that?

Quote:

Pentax is the longest "relationship" I have ever had!

Pentax outlasted 2 wives. One of them took some of my Pentax gear, and i still want to rob her house, years later.

Clavius · 08-19-2013, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by pinholecam

We should also have a 'Lover' option.

And while we are at it, all the K01 and Q folks deserve a free 'lover' tag for sticking to their cameras despite all the 'hate'

In the same way, each and every Pentaxian should get a free 'lover' tage for sticking to Pentax, despite all the 'hate'.

Parallax · 08-19-2013, 07:15 AM - **1 Like**

Most of the "Haters" here are not haters. They are Pentax supporters who are just frustrated and that occasionally (and understandably) comes out in their posting. The important thing is to distinguish them from the true hater/trolls. (Yes, we do have one or two of those.)

mrNewt · 08-19-2013, 07:17 AM

Since we are talking about options... we need a "swingers" button

... ummmm ... for those who jumps ships...

(huh... saved it... )

normhead · 08-19-2013, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by mrNewt

Since we are talking about options... we need a "swingers" button

... ummmm ... for those who jumps ships...

(huh... saved it... )

Darn it newt, quit complicating the issue....

audiobomber · 08-19-2013, 09:43 AM

When DPR first added the button to Like a post, they also added a Dislike button (I don't remember what it was called exactly). It didn't last long, and caused a lot of conflict and abuse for the short time it was available. Personally I liked the Dislike button, but I doubt we'll see one here, for good reason.

normhead · 08-19-2013, 09:56 AM - **2 Likes**

As a teacher and coach my philosophy was build on the positive... use negatives only when necessary. I'm almost opposed to a hate button. The folks on here that get locked in semantical arguments with me know who they are. (And so do tons of people who wish they didn't know.) They don't need a mechanism whereby I advertise our little problem to everyone.... I honestly wouldn't use it on philosophical grounds... even though the idea gives me no end of amusement.

**jac** · 08-19-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by normhead

I honestly wouldn't use it on philosophical grounds... even though the idea gives me no end of amusement.

Ditto. +1

EarlVonTapia · 08-19-2013, 03:00 PM

I post on the Reddit photography sub-forum. Reddit normally has an upvote/downvote system, where good posts get upvotes and "bad" posts get downvotes. Good posts rise to the top of the forum, and bad posts sink into the nether void.

The problem with the downvote system was that people started confusing "bad posts" with "posts they don't like/agree with". So, even if a post presented a good piece of information or was a well crafted argument, if it didn't jive with a particular reader, it would be downvoted.

Also, certain people would get downvoted by groups of people for having unpopular views, even if they were well within the rules and terms of the subforum.

It got so bad that the mods put in a little popup that would show when your mouse cursor hovered over the downvote button stating that "downvotes are only for bad posts, and not for posts you disagree with" (some sort of message like that).

The downvote system was abolished. Instead, only the upvote system remained. And it works. Good stuff rises to the top. Stuff that isn't so popular gets its time in the sun before slowly fading away. Truly bad stuff (things that violate the terms of the subforum, spam links, etc.) gets reported and wiped, but only by mods. And that's really how it should be.

So I think the proper way to deal with "haters" is the "ignore user" button, and not some kind of vote-based hater tag.

audiobomber · 08-19-2013, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

When DPR first added the button to Like a post, they also added a Dislike button (I don't remember what it was called exactly). It didn't last long, and caused a lot of conflict and abuse for the short time it was available. Personally I liked the Dislike button, but I doubt we'll see one here, for good reason.

I forgot to mention that the Dislike button was anonymous, which seems cowardly, and fostered abuse.

EarlVonTapia · 08-19-2013, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

I forgot to mention that the Dislike button was anonymous, which seems cowardly, and fostered abuse.

Oh yeah, the upvote/downvote system on Reddit is anonymous too. And yes, it is cowardly. If you make a post that someone really hates, they will go through your ENTIRE HISTORY and downvote EVERYTHING.

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08-18-2013, 07:19 PM	#16
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Bad idea. "Reputation" ratings more often than not devolve into bash fests where one clique will start "hating" another clique and just "hate" everything they post. If you want a "hater" system allow people to "like" or "hate" a post and simple show the number of likes vs hates on a post and show the grand total number of "likes" vs "hates" a member has cast on their profile summary. The profile summary now shows total posts and likes just add hates and leave it at that. Draw your own conclusion from the numbers rather than an actual rating/reputation. Of course someone can always offset their "hate" count by "liking" posts. No system is going to be perfect.

08-18-2013, 07:22 PM	#17
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	I hate this thread

08-18-2013, 07:51 PM	#18
Old Man Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 171	No need to have a haters button, just overload them with kindness until they pop a gasket.

08-18-2013, 07:56 PM	#19
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	We should also have a 'Lover' option. And while we are at it, all the K01 and Q folks deserve a free 'lover' tag for sticking to their cameras despite all the 'hate'

08-19-2013, 05:31 AM	#20
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by mrNewt I hate this thread That's the spirit, now don't you wish you had a special "hater place" to say that? Quote: Pentax is the longest "relationship" I have ever had! Pentax outlasted 2 wives. One of them took some of my Pentax gear, and i still want to rob her house, years later.

08-19-2013, 05:36 AM	#21
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by pinholecam We should also have a 'Lover' option. And while we are at it, all the K01 and Q folks deserve a free 'lover' tag for sticking to their cameras despite all the 'hate' In the same way, each and every Pentaxian should get a free 'lover' tage for sticking to Pentax, despite all the 'hate'.

08-19-2013, 07:15 AM - 1 Like	#22
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Most of the "Haters" here are not haters. They are Pentax supporters who are just frustrated and that occasionally (and understandably) comes out in their posting. The important thing is to distinguish them from the true hater/trolls. (Yes, we do have one or two of those.)

08-19-2013, 07:17 AM	#23
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Since we are talking about options... we need a "swingers" button ... ummmm ... for those who jumps ships... (huh... saved it... )

08-19-2013, 07:18 AM	#24
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by mrNewt Since we are talking about options... we need a "swingers" button ... ummmm ... for those who jumps ships... (huh... saved it... ) Darn it newt, quit complicating the issue....

08-19-2013, 09:43 AM	#25
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	When DPR first added the button to Like a post, they also added a Dislike button (I don't remember what it was called exactly). It didn't last long, and caused a lot of conflict and abuse for the short time it was available. Personally I liked the Dislike button, but I doubt we'll see one here, for good reason.

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08-19-2013, 09:56 AM - 2 Likes	#26
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	As a teacher and coach my philosophy was build on the positive... use negatives only when necessary. I'm almost opposed to a hate button. The folks on here that get locked in semantical arguments with me know who they are. (And so do tons of people who wish they didn't know.) They don't need a mechanism whereby I advertise our little problem to everyone.... I honestly wouldn't use it on philosophical grounds... even though the idea gives me no end of amusement.

08-19-2013, 02:58 PM	#27
jac Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Clyde River, Nunavut, Canada Posts: 2,364	Originally posted by normhead I honestly wouldn't use it on philosophical grounds... even though the idea gives me no end of amusement. Ditto. +1

08-19-2013, 03:00 PM	#28
EarlVonTapia Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,207	I post on the Reddit photography sub-forum. Reddit normally has an upvote/downvote system, where good posts get upvotes and "bad" posts get downvotes. Good posts rise to the top of the forum, and bad posts sink into the nether void. The problem with the downvote system was that people started confusing "bad posts" with "posts they don't like/agree with". So, even if a post presented a good piece of information or was a well crafted argument, if it didn't jive with a particular reader, it would be downvoted. Also, certain people would get downvoted by groups of people for having unpopular views, even if they were well within the rules and terms of the subforum. It got so bad that the mods put in a little popup that would show when your mouse cursor hovered over the downvote button stating that "downvotes are only for bad posts, and not for posts you disagree with" (some sort of message like that). The downvote system was abolished. Instead, only the upvote system remained. And it works. Good stuff rises to the top. Stuff that isn't so popular gets its time in the sun before slowly fading away. Truly bad stuff (things that violate the terms of the subforum, spam links, etc.) gets reported and wiped, but only by mods. And that's really how it should be. So I think the proper way to deal with "haters" is the "ignore user" button, and not some kind of vote-based hater tag.

08-19-2013, 03:03 PM	#29
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by audiobomber When DPR first added the button to Like a post, they also added a Dislike button (I don't remember what it was called exactly). It didn't last long, and caused a lot of conflict and abuse for the short time it was available. Personally I liked the Dislike button, but I doubt we'll see one here, for good reason. I forgot to mention that the Dislike button was anonymous, which seems cowardly, and fostered abuse.

08-19-2013, 03:05 PM	#30
EarlVonTapia Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,207	Originally posted by audiobomber I forgot to mention that the Dislike button was anonymous, which seems cowardly, and fostered abuse. Oh yeah, the upvote/downvote system on Reddit is anonymous too. And yes, it is cowardly. If you make a post that someone really hates, they will go through your ENTIRE HISTORY and downvote EVERYTHING.