Get that monitor off of the default color temperature!

slip · 11-29-2006, 01:13 PM

almost all monitors come standard with the default color temperature of 9300K.... which will give all your photos a "cold" cast.
switch it if you can to 6500K for normal viewing and regular proofing, or if you calibrate your monitor and want to proof it before sending it to a good printer, go with the standard 5000k

you will see a warm color cast, especially at 5000k. your eyes will get used to it (9300k default is bright, cool white so that will be the biggest difference) and you will be pleased with the way the tones of colors display

thanks

clarenceclose · 11-29-2006, 04:18 PM

Thanks, Will take a look at that too.

Duh_Vinci · 11-29-2006, 04:45 PM

Thanks for the tip, never knew that!

Just changed it to 6500, sure hope that my eyes would get use to it quickly, 5 minutes after the change - my eyes feel rather "weird"

Regards,
D

slip · 11-29-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Duh_Vinci

Thanks for the tip, never knew that!

Just changed it to 6500, sure hope that my eyes would get use to it quickly, 5 minutes after the change - my eyes feel rather "weird"

Regards,
D

If you are using a CRT monitor, make sure your refresh rate is above 70hz as below that is hard on your eyes.

cheers

randy

Last edited by slip; 11-30-2006 at 02:25 PM. Reason: should read hz not mhz

Rak · 11-29-2006, 06:32 PM

I've been on 6500K ever since I got this monitor. I changed it to 9300K and it looks like a blue filter. Also, my monitor has an "sRGB" mode that is spot-on for contrast.

ericc · 11-29-2006, 08:47 PM

Where do you set the color temperature? Is it in the Adobe Gamma control? I was told to disable Adobe Gamma once you use a colorimeter.

If it's in the display control panel, I don't have that setting. The NVidia card in my photo editing PC overrides the Windows default Control Panel for the display adapter.

Thanks

-E

HogRider · 11-29-2006, 08:51 PM

Used to be on the default setting of 9300 until I read a log and detailed post about this in a Photo forum about a year ago. It felt weird after I went to 6500, but after less than a week I got used to it and now 9300 Monitors feel way too "cold" for me.

HogRider · 11-29-2006, 08:52 PM

You set it directly on the monitor's menu.

Originally posted by ericc

Where do you set the color temperature? Is it in the Adobe Gamma control? I was told to disable Adobe Gamma once you use a colorimeter.

If it's in the display control panel, I don't have that setting. The NVidia card in my photo editing PC overrides the Windows default Control Panel for the display adapter.

Thanks

-E

slip · 11-29-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by ericc

Where do you set the color temperature? Is it in the Adobe Gamma control? I was told to disable Adobe Gamma once you use a colorimeter.

If it's in the display control panel, I don't have that setting. The NVidia card in my photo editing PC overrides the Windows default Control Panel for the display adapter.

Thanks

-E

Where you change the color temperature of your monitor is in your monitor controls

If you have a colorimeter and don't have any adjustment to change the color temperature with your monitor settings, then most software that comes with the colorimeter (huey, eyeone display, spider, etc) will let you change the color temperature there.
and yes, if you do use a colorimeter, you should disable Adobe gamma loader

hope this helps, ericc

cheers

slip · 11-29-2006, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by RedHawk

Used to be on the default setting of 9300 until I read a log and detailed post about this in a Photo forum about a year ago. It felt weird after I went to 6500, but after less than a week I got used to it and now 9300 Monitors feel way too "cold" for me.

that is the beauty of our eyes/ brain...... it can adapt quickly.
this makes it difficult to see the final color temperature of our final photos, though

Duh_Vinci · 11-30-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by slipchuck

If you are using a CRT monitor, make sure your refresh rate is above 70mhz as below that is hard on your eyes.

cheers

randy

Randy - everything on my monitor menu is in kHz, currently set as 53.7kHz/60.0Hz? Does it mean it's not CRT? Its a standard 17" piece that came with basic E-Machine about 2 years ago...

Regards,
D

slip · 11-30-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Duh_Vinci

Randy - everything on my monitor menu is in kHz, currently set as 53.7kHz/60.0Hz? Does it mean it's not CRT? Its a standard 17" piece that came with basic E-Machine about 2 years ago...

Regards,
D

hi duh_vinci

you will know the difference between crt and lcd by how wide it is.

If you have the old style crt, then the bottom section will apply to you.(your eyes will thank you for it) if you have a lcd, then don't change anything as far as hz goes.

after looking it up, it is hz not mhz like I described above.
If you know how to, change the refresh rate (HZ) to 75 and see how it looks.
it should be easier on your eyes, but the size of the windows will likely change and you will have to adjust them.
when you do this, make sure that you still have the same color depth.
It should be a min. of 16bit, but 24 or 32bit is usually standard for photo viewing.
when you put it at 75hz and you can't see get at least 16bit color, you might have to try 72hz or 70hz instead.
anything below 70hz will have that distracting "blink" that is very hard on your eyes

let me know how you make out, and if you need anymore help, please let me know

randy

slip · 11-30-2006, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by slipchuck

hi duh_vinci

you will know the difference between crt and lcd by how wide it is.

If you have the old style crt, then the bottom section will apply to you.(your eyes will thank you for it) if you have a lcd, then don't change anything as far as hz goes.

after looking it up, it is hz not mhz like I described above.
If you know how to, change the refresh rate (HZ) to 75 and see how it looks.
it should be easier on your eyes, but the size of the windows will likely change and you will have to adjust them.
when you do this, make sure that you still have the same color depth.
It should be a min. of 16bit, but 24 or 32bit is usually standard for photo viewing.
when you put it at 75hz and you can't see get at least 16bit color, you might have to try 72hz or 70hz instead.
anything below 70hz will have that distracting "blink" that is very hard on your eyes

let me know how you make out, and if you need anymore help, please let me know

randy

Here is a link to an excellent explaination how a CRT monitor works and explains the refresh rate (HZ)
Howstuffworks "How Computer Monitors Work"

ericc · 11-30-2006, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by slipchuck

Where you change the color temperature of your monitor is in your monitor controls

I don't see it on the monitor control panel. (Display->Settings->Advanced->Monitor). Nor does the Huey software have a place to set the temperature. There is a place where it asks how you use the computer and it has some warm/cold options, but nothing with explicit temperatures.

It could be me, though. I suffer from refrigerator blindness*. Thanks for your help Randy.

* Refrigerator blindness: selective loss of visual acuity in association with a common foraging behavior in male humans

HogRider · 11-30-2006, 05:44 PM

No - try on the monitor directly (button/s in front or maybe on the side). The adjusments are NOT made in Windows.

11-29-2006, 01:13 PM	#1
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535	Get that monitor off of the default color temperature! almost all monitors come standard with the default color temperature of 9300K.... which will give all your photos a "cold" cast. switch it if you can to 6500K for normal viewing and regular proofing, or if you calibrate your monitor and want to proof it before sending it to a good printer, go with the standard 5000k you will see a warm color cast, especially at 5000k. your eyes will get used to it (9300k default is bright, cool white so that will be the biggest difference) and you will be pleased with the way the tones of colors display thanks

11-29-2006, 08:47 PM	#6
ericc Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Oklahoma Posts: 412	Stupid question, but here goes... Where do you set the color temperature? Is it in the Adobe Gamma control? I was told to disable Adobe Gamma once you use a colorimeter. If it's in the display control panel, I don't have that setting. The NVidia card in my photo editing PC overrides the Windows default Control Panel for the display adapter. Thanks -E

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clarenceclose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pocatello, Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,506	Thanks, Will take a look at that too.

11-29-2006, 04:45 PM	#3
Duh_Vinci Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,300	Thanks for the tip, never knew that! Just changed it to 6500, sure hope that my eyes would get use to it quickly, 5 minutes after the change - my eyes feel rather "weird" Regards, D

11-29-2006, 06:01 PM	#4
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535 Original Poster	Originally posted by Duh_Vinci Thanks for the tip, never knew that! Just changed it to 6500, sure hope that my eyes would get use to it quickly, 5 minutes after the change - my eyes feel rather "weird" Regards, D If you are using a CRT monitor, make sure your refresh rate is above 70hz as below that is hard on your eyes. cheers randy Last edited by slip; 11-30-2006 at 02:25 PM. Reason: should read hz not mhz

11-29-2006, 06:32 PM	#5
Rak Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, USA Posts: 115	I've been on 6500K ever since I got this monitor. I changed it to 9300K and it looks like a blue filter. Also, my monitor has an "sRGB" mode that is spot-on for contrast.

11-29-2006, 08:51 PM	#7
HogRider Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 608	Used to be on the default setting of 9300 until I read a log and detailed post about this in a Photo forum about a year ago. It felt weird after I went to 6500, but after less than a week I got used to it and now 9300 Monitors feel way too "cold" for me.

11-29-2006, 08:52 PM	#8
HogRider Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 608	You set it directly on the monitor's menu. Originally posted by ericc Where do you set the color temperature? Is it in the Adobe Gamma control? I was told to disable Adobe Gamma once you use a colorimeter. If it's in the display control panel, I don't have that setting. The NVidia card in my photo editing PC overrides the Windows default Control Panel for the display adapter. Thanks -E

11-29-2006, 08:56 PM	#9
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535 Original Poster	Originally posted by ericc Where do you set the color temperature? Is it in the Adobe Gamma control? I was told to disable Adobe Gamma once you use a colorimeter. If it's in the display control panel, I don't have that setting. The NVidia card in my photo editing PC overrides the Windows default Control Panel for the display adapter. Thanks -E Where you change the color temperature of your monitor is in your monitor controls If you have a colorimeter and don't have any adjustment to change the color temperature with your monitor settings, then most software that comes with the colorimeter (huey, eyeone display, spider, etc) will let you change the color temperature there. and yes, if you do use a colorimeter, you should disable Adobe gamma loader hope this helps, ericc cheers

11-29-2006, 08:59 PM	#10
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535 Original Poster	Originally posted by RedHawk Used to be on the default setting of 9300 until I read a log and detailed post about this in a Photo forum about a year ago. It felt weird after I went to 6500, but after less than a week I got used to it and now 9300 Monitors feel way too "cold" for me. that is the beauty of our eyes/ brain...... it can adapt quickly. this makes it difficult to see the final color temperature of our final photos, though

11-30-2006, 01:55 PM	#11
Duh_Vinci Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,300	Originally posted by slipchuck If you are using a CRT monitor, make sure your refresh rate is above 70mhz as below that is hard on your eyes. cheers randy Randy - everything on my monitor menu is in kHz, currently set as 53.7kHz/60.0Hz? Does it mean it's not CRT? Its a standard 17" piece that came with basic E-Machine about 2 years ago... Regards, D

11-30-2006, 02:24 PM	#12
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535 Original Poster	Originally posted by Duh_Vinci Randy - everything on my monitor menu is in kHz, currently set as 53.7kHz/60.0Hz? Does it mean it's not CRT? Its a standard 17" piece that came with basic E-Machine about 2 years ago... Regards, D hi duh_vinci you will know the difference between crt and lcd by how wide it is. If you have the old style crt, then the bottom section will apply to you.(your eyes will thank you for it) if you have a lcd, then don't change anything as far as hz goes. after looking it up, it is hz not mhz like I described above. If you know how to, change the refresh rate (HZ) to 75 and see how it looks. it should be easier on your eyes, but the size of the windows will likely change and you will have to adjust them. when you do this, make sure that you still have the same color depth. It should be a min. of 16bit, but 24 or 32bit is usually standard for photo viewing. when you put it at 75hz and you can't see get at least 16bit color, you might have to try 72hz or 70hz instead. anything below 70hz will have that distracting "blink" that is very hard on your eyes let me know how you make out, and if you need anymore help, please let me know randy

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11-30-2006, 04:03 PM	#13
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535 Original Poster	Originally posted by slipchuck hi duh_vinci you will know the difference between crt and lcd by how wide it is. If you have the old style crt, then the bottom section will apply to you.(your eyes will thank you for it) if you have a lcd, then don't change anything as far as hz goes. after looking it up, it is hz not mhz like I described above. If you know how to, change the refresh rate (HZ) to 75 and see how it looks. it should be easier on your eyes, but the size of the windows will likely change and you will have to adjust them. when you do this, make sure that you still have the same color depth. It should be a min. of 16bit, but 24 or 32bit is usually standard for photo viewing. when you put it at 75hz and you can't see get at least 16bit color, you might have to try 72hz or 70hz instead. anything below 70hz will have that distracting "blink" that is very hard on your eyes let me know how you make out, and if you need anymore help, please let me know randy Here is a link to an excellent explaination how a CRT monitor works and explains the refresh rate (HZ) Howstuffworks "How Computer Monitors Work"

11-30-2006, 05:22 PM	#14
ericc Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Oklahoma Posts: 412	Originally posted by slipchuck Where you change the color temperature of your monitor is in your monitor controls I don't see it on the monitor control panel. (Display->Settings->Advanced->Monitor). Nor does the Huey software have a place to set the temperature. There is a place where it asks how you use the computer and it has some warm/cold options, but nothing with explicit temperatures. It could be me, though. I suffer from refrigerator blindness. Thanks for your help Randy. Refrigerator blindness: selective loss of visual acuity in association with a common foraging behavior in male humans

11-30-2006, 05:44 PM	#15
HogRider Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 608	No - try on the monitor directly (button/s in front or maybe on the side). The adjusments are NOT made in Windows.