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tabl10s · 11-13-2011, 04:01 PM

cheat with Photoshop?

areidjr · 11-13-2011, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by tabl10s

cheat with Photoshop?

I use Photoshop, but I don't know what you mean by cheating.

**rayallen** · 11-13-2011, 04:07 PM

I use Photoshop to improve an image but I never cheat. Define cheating.

yeatzee · 11-13-2011, 04:11 PM

No photoshop, therefore no cheating

RioRico · 11-13-2011, 04:23 PM - **1 Like**

My late brother-in-law was an accomplished painter. He also had a career as a US Marine Corps MP (military policeman), civilian cop, and finally police chief of a fairly large city. He said, "There is no cheating in art". That's the law, eh?

Exception: You may work with images under some arbitrary constraints. Photos for documentation (journalism, science, surveillance, etc) or competition may be required to meet certain guidelines. Otherwise there is no cheating.

I trained and worked with the mantra, "Do WHATEVER it takes to make the picture." If anyone wants pictures just as they emerge from the camera, controlled by whatever processing algorithms were installed by the design engineers, fine, that's nice. Enjoy your uncooked pictures, however flat they be. That's picture-taking, not picture-making.

But there's more to picture-making than just taking snapshots. Ansel Adams' prints were all very carefully dodged and burnt. Post-processing is part of the picture-making workflow -- always has been, always will be.

Do you cheat by putting ketchup on your burgers? And by cooking them? Tsk tsk...

EDIT: Sorry if I fed the troll. This *IS* a troll, y'know.

**Ex Finn.** · 11-13-2011, 04:47 PM

As little as possible. Mainly to crop. Photo-shop is for graphical artist. I am not one.

causey · 11-13-2011, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by RioRico

"There is no cheating in art".

Great dictum!

wolfiegirl · 11-13-2011, 05:25 PM

how else am I sposed to get a picture of me into a background of hawaii I ask you????

SpecialK · 11-13-2011, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by tabl10s

cheat with Photoshop?

Discussed to death. Are you superior just using in-camera settings or just feel that way?

George Lama · 11-13-2011, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by SpecialK

Discussed to death. Are you superior just using in-camera settings or just feel that way?

And then one can ask - isn't using anything other than manual mode cheating anyway?

SteveM · 11-13-2011, 11:02 PM

I use a lots of glass filters, but I'm excused cause I shoot in manual focus.

Stone G. · 11-14-2011, 01:44 AM

How many were/are "cheating" in developing and printing analogue negative film???

There are several possibilities:

- choice of particular type of negative film
- choice of specific development process
- use of various coloured filters for the printing process
- use of different paper-grades for do.
.....

I think that "cheat" and digital image post-processing are mostly relevant if you "improve" upon your image in connection with tests and reviews of gear. And then of course Photo Documentarism as mentioned by RioRico above.

If you are adding or removing objects, colours, light that weren't in the scene as you shot it, you are certainly "manipulating" your image (and should normally state that) but that need not be cheating.

Wheatfield · 11-14-2011, 03:32 PM

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11-13-2011, 04:01 PM	#1
tabl10s Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sacramento(formerly from B'Ham, England). Posts: 1,424	How many of you... cheat with Photoshop?

11-13-2011, 05:25 PM	#8
wolfiegirl Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mystery Bay, NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,111	how else am I sposed to get a picture of me into a background of hawaii I ask you???? Last edited by wolfiegirl; 11-13-2011 at 07:53 PM.

11-13-2011, 04:05 PM	#2
areidjr Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 529	Originally posted by tabl10s cheat with Photoshop? I use Photoshop, but I don't know what you mean by cheating.

11-13-2011, 04:07 PM	#3
rayallen Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Forresters Beach, NSW, Australia. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,014	I use Photoshop to improve an image but I never cheat. Define cheating.

11-13-2011, 04:11 PM	#4
yeatzee Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Temecula Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,675	No photoshop, therefore no cheating

11-13-2011, 04:23 PM - 1 Like	#5
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	My late brother-in-law was an accomplished painter. He also had a career as a US Marine Corps MP (military policeman), civilian cop, and finally police chief of a fairly large city. He said, "There is no cheating in art". That's the law, eh? Exception: You may work with images under some arbitrary constraints. Photos for documentation (journalism, science, surveillance, etc) or competition may be required to meet certain guidelines. Otherwise there is no cheating. I trained and worked with the mantra, "Do WHATEVER it takes to make the picture." If anyone wants pictures just as they emerge from the camera, controlled by whatever processing algorithms were installed by the design engineers, fine, that's nice. Enjoy your uncooked pictures, however flat they be. That's picture-taking, not picture-making. But there's more to picture-making than just taking snapshots. Ansel Adams' prints were all very carefully dodged and burnt. Post-processing is part of the picture-making workflow -- always has been, always will be. Do you cheat by putting ketchup on your burgers? And by cooking them? Tsk tsk... EDIT: Sorry if I fed the troll. This IS a troll, y'know.

11-13-2011, 04:47 PM	#6
Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	As little as possible. Mainly to crop. Photo-shop is for graphical artist. I am not one.

11-13-2011, 05:21 PM	#7
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Originally posted by RioRico "There is no cheating in art". Great dictum!

11-13-2011, 06:12 PM	#9
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	Originally posted by tabl10s cheat with Photoshop? Discussed to death. Are you superior just using in-camera settings or just feel that way?

11-13-2011, 10:11 PM	#10
George Lama Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo/Rochester, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,133	Originally posted by SpecialK Discussed to death. Are you superior just using in-camera settings or just feel that way? And then one can ask - isn't using anything other than manual mode cheating anyway?

11-13-2011, 11:02 PM	#11
SteveM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,294	I use a lots of glass filters, but I'm excused cause I shoot in manual focus.

11-14-2011, 01:44 AM	#12
Stone G. Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Zealand, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,516	How many were/are "cheating" in developing and printing analogue negative film??? There are several possibilities: - choice of particular type of negative film - choice of specific development process - use of various coloured filters for the printing process - use of different paper-grades for do. ..... I think that "cheat" and digital image post-processing are mostly relevant if you "improve" upon your image in connection with tests and reviews of gear. And then of course Photo Documentarism as mentioned by RioRico above. If you are adding or removing objects, colours, light that weren't in the scene as you shot it, you are certainly "manipulating" your image (and should normally state that) but that need not be cheating.

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