Sandisk Memory Vault ... 100 years safe ! Worth taking a look !

**jpzk** · 03-07-2012, 04:12 PM

Found this today:

SanDisk® Memory Vault

and I thought it is quite interesting.

If this has been posted before, please Mod's, delete at will.

JP

**jpzk** · 03-07-2012, 04:18 PM

The price may seem high, but I would be willing to pay $89.00 for a device which is guarantied to save the data (photos) for 100 years.

Just think of it as a photo album which you would put on a shelf, in a desk drawer, or anywhere you'd want to keep something for a very long time.
Apparently, Sandisk have made some tests and it is "100 years guarantied".

Now, I'm thinking of getting one.

JP

arpaagent · 03-07-2012, 05:17 PM

yes, but what good is a guarantee on items which can not be replaced? If your memory vault happens to have a fault after 10 years...they can't replace the photos. They might give you your $90 back, but that wouldn't be the same. I guess what I'm getting at is thatI would still want to have a backup of them on some other device.

Ubuntu_user · 03-07-2012, 05:23 PM

It's not big enough. Imagine 5 years down the road when your shooting a 40+ MP DSLR and each picture is 90-110MB each!

I plan on keeping mine on HDDs with backups and swapping out the drives whenever they go bad... Storage is only getting cheaper.

However, when this thing would be worth it is if you wanted to save a select number of pictures, drop the device in the drawer, and then forget it until you're 85 years old when suddenly you remember and pull it out... But then you find out that USB has long since been discontinued and you can no longer plug it into your computer.

Just a few things to think about. Don't take any of it too seriously.

Pioneer · 03-07-2012, 05:23 PM

Certainly seems to be a great advertising ploy.

bossa · 03-07-2012, 06:48 PM

Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years.

dgaies · 03-07-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by bossa

Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years.

I had to get data off a floppy disk a few months back and finding a machine with a (working) floppy drive was no small feat.

**interested_observer** · 03-07-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by bossa

Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years.

Originally posted by dgaies

I had to get data off a floppy disk a few months back and finding a machine with a (working) floppy drive was no small feat.

There have been quite a few historically significant data records which have become unreadable just since the 60's. That is the problem with our ever increasing digital society. I think that the ancients had it correct - rock and stone!

wwwmorrell · 03-07-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by bossa

Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years.

+1 From the mouth of babe's

even one's with a cigar in their face.

RioRico · 03-07-2012, 09:29 PM

Storage becomes ever cheaper. In 1980 I spend over US$1200 (worth maybe US$6k now) for a drive system that stored a total of 270kb using 90kb SSSD hard-sector floppies costing a few bucks each. A 5mb HD would have been much more. Now I can buy a terabyte HD for under US$100 (and last year it was US$150).

How to archive digital images: don't. Buy a RAID-1 system. Next year, buy another with twice the capacity. Move images|data to the latest system. Continue until technology revolutionizes or you die.

bossa · 03-07-2012, 09:33 PM

Yeah, I have to agree that RAID is the go.. PLUS and extra backup stored away from the system. You really need to mirror the drives and a raid is the easiest way to do that.

wombat2go · 03-07-2012, 10:18 PM

For better or worse, i continue faith in cloud storage,
that it may survive all the tech and ec challenges.
A tad off topic but i am developing an industrial system on linux using
the CompactFlash 8GB 40mm by 35 mm package as hard memory.
It was writing data to the CF continously (every few seconds)
Using the low cost consumer version there was a failure after about 40 days.
There is a lot of web info about extended life of these devices so i won't go in details,
We are now trying the medical/military spec version of these CF memory.
which cost about 6 times more, but still less than a spinning drive.
Spinning drives in industrial use are often rated 1 year.
Also on linux, i moved all the daily file transactions up to ram /dev/shm
and only do necessary writes to the hard storage.
I have not yet tried this for hobby photo work but it is easy to set up.
Then you trust your UPS battery , but greatly reduce the wear and tear on your main drive.;
On linux , to see how your drive is being hammered, use vmstat

twitch · 03-07-2012, 10:22 PM

This kind of approach is the wrong one for photo longevity. Photo longevity needs to depend on process not on "failure proof" point solution devices. I'm seeing more and more value in printing my important pictures in photobooks and albumns, not just keeping multiple copies in multiple locations.

Anvh · 03-07-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by bossa

Yeah, I have to agree that RAID is the go.. PLUS and extra backup stored away from the system. You really need to mirror the drives and a raid is the easiest way to do that.

But the plus is important though just a raid isn't a backup because what about when a file got written away wrongly, then that file is corrupted on both disk.
You just need an extra backup.

**jbinpg** · 03-08-2012, 10:22 AM

Eventually all storage will be on non-amorphous holographic crystals so it will just be a matter of keeping those locked away safely to preserve your catalogue.

03-07-2012, 04:12 PM	#1
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Sandisk Memory Vault ... 100 years safe ! Worth taking a look ! Found this today: SanDisk® Memory Vault and I thought it is quite interesting. If this has been posted before, please Mod's, delete at will. JP

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03-07-2012, 04:18 PM	#2
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251 Original Poster	The price may seem high, but I would be willing to pay $89.00 for a device which is guarantied to save the data (photos) for 100 years. Just think of it as a photo album which you would put on a shelf, in a desk drawer, or anywhere you'd want to keep something for a very long time. Apparently, Sandisk have made some tests and it is "100 years guarantied". Now, I'm thinking of getting one. JP

03-07-2012, 05:17 PM	#3
arpaagent Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 803	yes, but what good is a guarantee on items which can not be replaced? If your memory vault happens to have a fault after 10 years...they can't replace the photos. They might give you your $90 back, but that wouldn't be the same. I guess what I'm getting at is thatI would still want to have a backup of them on some other device.

03-07-2012, 05:23 PM	#4
Ubuntu_user Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,545	It's not big enough. Imagine 5 years down the road when your shooting a 40+ MP DSLR and each picture is 90-110MB each! I plan on keeping mine on HDDs with backups and swapping out the drives whenever they go bad... Storage is only getting cheaper. However, when this thing would be worth it is if you wanted to save a select number of pictures, drop the device in the drawer, and then forget it until you're 85 years old when suddenly you remember and pull it out... But then you find out that USB has long since been discontinued and you can no longer plug it into your computer. Just a few things to think about. Don't take any of it too seriously.

03-07-2012, 06:48 PM	#6
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years.

03-07-2012, 07:19 PM	#7
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by bossa Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years. I had to get data off a floppy disk a few months back and finding a machine with a (working) floppy drive was no small feat.

03-07-2012, 07:54 PM	#8
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,707	Originally posted by bossa Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years. Originally posted by dgaies I had to get data off a floppy disk a few months back and finding a machine with a (working) floppy drive was no small feat. There have been quite a few historically significant data records which have become unreadable just since the 60's. That is the problem with our ever increasing digital society. I think that the ancients had it correct - rock and stone!

03-07-2012, 08:52 PM	#9
wwwmorrell Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mount Buller, Australia Posts: 397	Originally posted by bossa Good luck finding a USB interface in 100 years. +1 From the mouth of babe's even one's with a cigar in their face.

03-07-2012, 09:29 PM	#10
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Storage becomes ever cheaper. In 1980 I spend over US$1200 (worth maybe US$6k now) for a drive system that stored a total of 270kb using 90kb SSSD hard-sector floppies costing a few bucks each. A 5mb HD would have been much more. Now I can buy a terabyte HD for under US$100 (and last year it was US$150). How to archive digital images: don't. Buy a RAID-1 system. Next year, buy another with twice the capacity. Move images\|data to the latest system. Continue until technology revolutionizes or you die.

03-07-2012, 09:33 PM	#11
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Yeah, I have to agree that RAID is the go.. PLUS and extra backup stored away from the system. You really need to mirror the drives and a raid is the easiest way to do that.

03-07-2012, 10:18 PM	#12
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	For better or worse, i continue faith in cloud storage, that it may survive all the tech and ec challenges. A tad off topic but i am developing an industrial system on linux using the CompactFlash 8GB 40mm by 35 mm package as hard memory. It was writing data to the CF continously (every few seconds) Using the low cost consumer version there was a failure after about 40 days. There is a lot of web info about extended life of these devices so i won't go in details, We are now trying the medical/military spec version of these CF memory. which cost about 6 times more, but still less than a spinning drive. Spinning drives in industrial use are often rated 1 year. Also on linux, i moved all the daily file transactions up to ram /dev/shm and only do necessary writes to the hard storage. I have not yet tried this for hobby photo work but it is easy to set up. Then you trust your UPS battery , but greatly reduce the wear and tear on your main drive.; On linux , to see how your drive is being hammered, use vmstat

03-07-2012, 10:22 PM	#13
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	This kind of approach is the wrong one for photo longevity. Photo longevity needs to depend on process not on "failure proof" point solution devices. I'm seeing more and more value in printing my important pictures in photobooks and albumns, not just keeping multiple copies in multiple locations.

03-07-2012, 10:34 PM	#14
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by bossa Yeah, I have to agree that RAID is the go.. PLUS and extra backup stored away from the system. You really need to mirror the drives and a raid is the easiest way to do that. But the plus is important though just a raid isn't a backup because what about when a file got written away wrongly, then that file is corrupted on both disk. You just need an extra backup.

03-08-2012, 10:22 AM	#15
jbinpg Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prince George, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,546	Eventually all storage will be on non-amorphous holographic crystals so it will just be a matter of keeping those locked away safely to preserve your catalogue.