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kwk1 · 04-25-2012, 07:10 AM

Hi, I'm new here. Been reading on this forum for a few weeks or so.
I'm looking at getting possibly a K5 in the near future.
I have no PP skill at the moment.
Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 & Premiere Elements 10 is on sale for $79.99 tomorrow only at Staples in Canada.
Are these good programs worth getting? Lightroom is another one I've heard about, but which would be best, or would you get all three of them?

Thanks for any help.

SpecialK · 04-25-2012, 08:24 AM

That is a good deal, and Elements is a very good program. I'm on v9 but have no plans to upgrade. You can learn the basics pretty quickly, though a book will help with some details as I am finding out. Never used Premier as I don't do movies :-)

Anvh · 04-25-2012, 08:34 AM

Depend on what kind of editing you want to do.
element is more creative tool then lightroom for example.
Premiere is for video.

They are good programs but only if you use them

**jatrax** · 04-25-2012, 09:51 AM

Lightroom is primarily a cataloging, indexing, keywording and workflow tool. It has basic editing tools built in such as exposure, color adjustment, spot removal, etc. It does not do layers or complex editing. I use it as the central hub I work around, everything starts and ends in Lightroom but if I need something it doesn't do, you export to a specialized program such as Elements, Photoshop, GIMP or whatever to do the editing.

Elements is good stuff, but as all graphics programs rather complex and with a learning curve.

Premiere is for video and I have no experience with it.

$79 is a good price, but consider what you want to do with it first. If adjusting exposure, cropping and resizing are all you need there are plenty of totally free programs that will do that faster and easier than Elements. If you need layers and complex editing then Elements is great. If you are looking for a full workflow solution from importing to printing then Lightroom is better, IMHO.

Anvh · 04-25-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

It does not do layers or complex editing.

It does not have layer but it does have local adjustments though.

I believe most here only use LR for their editing, only a few take the extra step to export it to photoshop.

**jatrax** · 04-25-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Anvh

It does not have layer but it does have local adjustments though. I believe most here only use LR for their editing, only a few take the extra step to export it to photoshop.

Agree. I use GIMP or Elements if I need layers or a tricky isolation. Everything else, probably 95% of my images, are all done in Lightroom.

kwk1 · 04-26-2012, 07:35 AM

Thanks for all the great replies everyone.
I didn't realize that you aren't automatically subbed to threads you start.

I guess I don't really want Premiere for video. From your replies and from what I've read,
it seems like Lightroom is all I want/need to start off. I think LR4 even has a basic thing for video too.
Just need to push myself to get the K5 now, lol!

Anvh · 04-26-2012, 08:13 AM

very basic video...

kwk1 · 04-27-2012, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

very basic video...

Yeah, that's okay. I rarely make videos and when I do, it's with the iphone and no editing.

reeftool · 04-27-2012, 09:43 AM

Elements is a pretty good program to start out with if you are just beginning. I bought Premeire back with Elements 6 and never used it much and I haven't upgraded Premeire since. I just don't shoot much video and the little I do, I get by with Windows Movie Maker, a free download. I've yet to shoot a frame of video with my K5. For cataloging, I used the free Picasa which also has some basic editing features. I still use it as my go to search for finding my photos. Lightroom is very good for most photo editing which is what I use now for 95% of my PP. I use Elements 9 for the little bit that I can't do in Lightroom. Editing software is something that grows along with your digital photography skills. There are hundreds of plug in's and specialized programs available and PP needs are going to be different for everybody. Elements 10 is a good place to start. While Adobe's products aren't the cheapest, they have the largest user base and any bookstore will have tutorials covering their products along with a lot of online forums and information.

Adam · 04-27-2012, 10:53 AM

Does anyone have experience with both Premiere Elements and Premiere Pro? All I need to do is basic video editing (cutting out unwanted parts, transitions) and encoding. It took me a while to figure out how to do that with premiere pro, so I'm guessing it's much too advanced for my needs. Is elements good enough?

I could opt for Adobe's Production Premium collection w/ eduational discount, which is $300 more than the Premiere Elements bundle, and I already have Photoshop CS5. That's why I'm not sure which to get.

Anvh · 04-27-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Does anyone have experience with both Premiere Elements and Premiere Pro? All I need to do is basic video editing (cutting out unwanted parts, transitions) and encoding. It took me a while to figure out how to do that with premiere pro, so I'm guessing it's much too advanced for my needs. Is elements good enough?

I could opt for Adobe's Production Premium collection w/ eduational discount, which is $300 more than the Premiere Elements bundle, and I already have Photoshop CS5. That's why I'm not sure which to get.

Just google for pictures of premiere elements and you see that the interface layout is basicly the same.
Elements probably has less functions but doubt it will be easier to use.

kwk1 · 04-29-2012, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by reeftool

Elements is a pretty good program to start out with if you are just beginning. I bought Premeire back with Elements 6 and never used it much and I haven't upgraded Premeire since. I just don't shoot much video and the little I do, I get by with Windows Movie Maker, a free download. I've yet to shoot a frame of video with my K5. For cataloging, I used the free Picasa which also has some basic editing features. I still use it as my go to search for finding my photos. Lightroom is very good for most photo editing which is what I use now for 95% of my PP. I use Elements 9 for the little bit that I can't do in Lightroom. Editing software is something that grows along with your digital photography skills. There are hundreds of plug in's and specialized programs available and PP needs are going to be different for everybody. Elements 10 is a good place to start. While Adobe's products aren't the cheapest, they have the largest user base and any bookstore will have tutorials covering their products along with a lot of online forums and information.

Thanks for the reply reef.
I watched some Adobe videos and I like lightroom and the fact that it's a good catalogue system as well. If it can do 95% of PP I'm sure that it's good enough, for me anyway.

Fl_Gulfer · 04-29-2012, 12:07 PM

B&H had Elements 10 for $49.00 on the 23rd so I ordered a copy and it arrived yesterday. It has alot more than my Elements 7 does. There is 3 DVD disks, just to begin with. To see what is new from the last version go to this page and check out the videos.

Your Starter Kit for learning Photoshop Elements – Photoshop Elements User

04-25-2012, 07:10 AM	#1
kwk1 New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: MB, CANADA Posts: 12	Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 & Premiere Elements 10 Hi, I'm new here. Been reading on this forum for a few weeks or so. I'm looking at getting possibly a K5 in the near future. I have no PP skill at the moment. Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 & Premiere Elements 10 is on sale for $79.99 tomorrow only at Staples in Canada. Are these good programs worth getting? Lightroom is another one I've heard about, but which would be best, or would you get all three of them? Thanks for any help.

04-27-2012, 10:53 AM	#11
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SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,482	That is a good deal, and Elements is a very good program. I'm on v9 but have no plans to upgrade. You can learn the basics pretty quickly, though a book will help with some details as I am finding out. Never used Premier as I don't do movies :-)

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Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Depend on what kind of editing you want to do. element is more creative tool then lightroom for example. Premiere is for video. They are good programs but only if you use them

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Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by jatrax It does not do layers or complex editing. It does not have layer but it does have local adjustments though. I believe most here only use LR for their editing, only a few take the extra step to export it to photoshop.

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jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Anvh It does not have layer but it does have local adjustments though. I believe most here only use LR for their editing, only a few take the extra step to export it to photoshop. Agree. I use GIMP or Elements if I need layers or a tricky isolation. Everything else, probably 95% of my images, are all done in Lightroom.

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kwk1 New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: MB, CANADA Posts: 12 Original Poster	Thanks for all the great replies everyone. I didn't realize that you aren't automatically subbed to threads you start. I guess I don't really want Premiere for video. From your replies and from what I've read, it seems like Lightroom is all I want/need to start off. I think LR4 even has a basic thing for video too. Just need to push myself to get the K5 now, lol!

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Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	very basic video...

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kwk1 New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: MB, CANADA Posts: 12 Original Poster	Originally posted by Anvh very basic video... Yeah, that's okay. I rarely make videos and when I do, it's with the iphone and no editing.

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Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by Adam Does anyone have experience with both Premiere Elements and Premiere Pro? All I need to do is basic video editing (cutting out unwanted parts, transitions) and encoding. It took me a while to figure out how to do that with premiere pro, so I'm guessing it's much too advanced for my needs. Is elements good enough? I could opt for Adobe's Production Premium collection w/ eduational discount, which is $300 more than the Premiere Elements bundle, and I already have Photoshop CS5. That's why I'm not sure which to get. Just google for pictures of premiere elements and you see that the interface layout is basicly the same. Elements probably has less functions but doubt it will be easier to use.

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kwk1 New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: MB, CANADA Posts: 12 Original Poster	Originally posted by reeftool Elements is a pretty good program to start out with if you are just beginning. I bought Premeire back with Elements 6 and never used it much and I haven't upgraded Premeire since. I just don't shoot much video and the little I do, I get by with Windows Movie Maker, a free download. I've yet to shoot a frame of video with my K5. For cataloging, I used the free Picasa which also has some basic editing features. I still use it as my go to search for finding my photos. Lightroom is very good for most photo editing which is what I use now for 95% of my PP. I use Elements 9 for the little bit that I can't do in Lightroom. Editing software is something that grows along with your digital photography skills. There are hundreds of plug in's and specialized programs available and PP needs are going to be different for everybody. Elements 10 is a good place to start. While Adobe's products aren't the cheapest, they have the largest user base and any bookstore will have tutorials covering their products along with a lot of online forums and information. Thanks for the reply reef. I watched some Adobe videos and I like lightroom and the fact that it's a good catalogue system as well. If it can do 95% of PP I'm sure that it's good enough, for me anyway.

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Fl_Gulfer Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Gulfer Photos: Albums Posts: 3,054	B&H had Elements 10 for $49.00 on the 23rd so I ordered a copy and it arrived yesterday. It has alot more than my Elements 7 does. There is 3 DVD disks, just to begin with. To see what is new from the last version go to this page and check out the videos. Your Starter Kit for learning Photoshop Elements – Photoshop Elements User