Lack of detail in picture in strong sunshine

Mattox · 07-19-2015, 07:05 AM

No one has commented on the detail because the first pic you uploaded was far too small to tell I think, and with the deep shadows it's way too difficult to define in my opinion. I'd simple start from scratch. Open the file in dng in Lightroom. Reasses your histogram and white balance and work from there. Otherwise send me a copy of the dng and I will see what I can come up with

tibbitts · 07-19-2015, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

Significant DR to capture here... you did a pretty good job with the exposure, avoiding a blown sky...
Or better, you would have done a pretty good job if this was a RAW image...
Next time, base iso (plenty of light so no worry), ETTR (the highlights in the clouds will probably be at the far right) and just open up the shadows in LR.
You get lotsa detail and next to no noise (provided you did everything correctly.
That's how I would have done it, anyway, my 2c... ;-)

At least in my base-iso raw images of subjects like this, I always have had to give up something - more on an older body than a newer one, but still something, and I always compromise on the shadows, to keep some detail in the highlights. There certainly isn't "next to no noise" when I try to recover some detail from shadows as deep as these, although how much you're left with in the end with may depend somewhat on the sophistication of your noise reduction process. There can also be something lost at the end when you ultimately translate the image into a format that may be less capable of dealing with extreme dynamic range than raw.

R J P · 07-19-2015, 08:26 AM

Thanks for all the input everyone.

Mattox, i can send you the dng if you like. It would be interesting to see what you get. Only if you really want to as it feels like a big favour and use of your time.

Whats the best way to send it to you?

Mattox · 07-19-2015, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by R J P

Thanks for all the input everyone.

Mattox, i can send you the dng if you like. It would be interesting to see what you get. Only if you really want to as it feels like a big favour and use of your time.

Whats the best way to send it to you?

Not a problem. It would be a pleasure. I am a bit swamped this week, but will do my best within a week. Send it to me via email. mbishop@mailbox.as. It will be interesting to see what we can come up with

R J P · 07-19-2015, 09:33 AM

Iam in no rush so a week is good.

Thanks. I send it by tomorrow as iam heading out.

07-19-2015, 07:43 AM	#17
tibbitts Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 2,196	Originally posted by LensBeginner Significant DR to capture here... you did a pretty good job with the exposure, avoiding a blown sky... Or better, you would have done a pretty good job if this was a RAW image... Next time, base iso (plenty of light so no worry), ETTR (the highlights in the clouds will probably be at the far right) and just open up the shadows in LR. You get lotsa detail and next to no noise (provided you did everything correctly. That's how I would have done it, anyway, my 2c... ;-) At least in my base-iso raw images of subjects like this, I always have had to give up something - more on an older body than a newer one, but still something, and I always compromise on the shadows, to keep some detail in the highlights. There certainly isn't "next to no noise" when I try to recover some detail from shadows as deep as these, although how much you're left with in the end with may depend somewhat on the sophistication of your noise reduction process. There can also be something lost at the end when you ultimately translate the image into a format that may be less capable of dealing with extreme dynamic range than raw. Last edited by tibbitts; 07-19-2015 at 08:21 AM.

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07-19-2015, 07:05 AM	#16
Mattox Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 292	No one has commented on the detail because the first pic you uploaded was far too small to tell I think, and with the deep shadows it's way too difficult to define in my opinion. I'd simple start from scratch. Open the file in dng in Lightroom. Reasses your histogram and white balance and work from there. Otherwise send me a copy of the dng and I will see what I can come up with

07-19-2015, 08:26 AM	#18
R J P Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 25 Original Poster	Thanks for all the input everyone. Mattox, i can send you the dng if you like. It would be interesting to see what you get. Only if you really want to as it feels like a big favour and use of your time. Whats the best way to send it to you?

07-19-2015, 09:08 AM	#19
Mattox Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 292	Originally posted by R J P Thanks for all the input everyone. Mattox, i can send you the dng if you like. It would be interesting to see what you get. Only if you really want to as it feels like a big favour and use of your time. Whats the best way to send it to you? Not a problem. It would be a pleasure. I am a bit swamped this week, but will do my best within a week. Send it to me via email. mbishop@mailbox.as. It will be interesting to see what we can come up with

07-19-2015, 09:33 AM	#20
R J P Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 25 Original Poster	Iam in no rush so a week is good. Thanks. I send it by tomorrow as iam heading out.