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01-16-2016, 03:10 AM   #1
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K-3 and Lightroom imports not sequential

I have found that when I use my K-3 in Continuous Shooting (H), my RAW files imported into LR 6 are not sequential. One 9 shot burst imported as 123, 124, 127, 128, 129, 125, 126, 130, 131. I import my photos using "Capture Time" and have no import presets enabled.
I'm using a Mac mini OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 and the same happens on my MBP running the same OS X. Anyone else experience this with their K-3 imports to LR?

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QuoteOriginally posted by RollsUp Quote
I have found that when I use my K-3 in Continuous Shooting (H), my RAW files imported into LR 6 are not sequential. One 9 shot burst imported as 123, 124, 127, 128, 129, 125, 126, 130, 131. I import my photos using "Capture Time" and have no import presets enabled.
I'm using a Mac mini OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 and the same happens on my MBP running the same OS X. Anyone else experience this with their K-3 imports to LR?
Have you tried looking at the RAW files details before you do the import to see what the capture times are? This may give you a clue as to whether Lightroom, or your K-3 is getting the times wrong. (Could be something to do with the times they are a=saved to the card?)

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Have you tried looking at the RAW files details before you do the import to see what the capture times are? This may give you a clue as to whether Lightroom, or your K-3 is getting the times wrong. (Could be something to do with the times they are a=saved to the card?)

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All the above files are in sequence when I view them in camera and also in LRs import dialog window when I inserted the memory card into my Mac again. All the files have the same time stamp in camera, 9:06. In LR 123 & 124 are time stamped as 9:06:33 while 127, 128,129, 125 and 126 are time stamped 9:06:34. 130 & 131 are 9:06:35. For some reason LR doesn't know files 125 and 126 should come before 127, 8 and 9.
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I have the same issue with both my K3's and Lightroom. I use the Sort: and select File Name option. Choose ascending or descending and everything will line up. Sort appears at the bottom of your viewing panel and can be selected at anytime including import. A bit inconvenient for sure.

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This is an "either or" situation. The files in the sequence 123, 124, 127, 128, 129, 125, 126, 130, 131 are in the correct sequence if Capture Time is the selected sequencing method. In this case file name is immaterial; Lightroom is not looking at it for sequencing purposes. The sequence you want is Capture Time within Sequence Number. From a programming point of view this option would require Lightroom to contain a more complex sequence of coding instructions, and it really doesn't make sense. I have run into this myself and simply change the method of sequencing option to File Name.

Added on further thought:
I began to think of why Adobe would offer Capture Time as a sequencing option. It makes no sense in the OP's situation where File Name is the obvious choice. Capture Time would be the sequencing option to choose when the photographer is using two or more cameras and wants to see his photographs in Lightroom in the sequence in which they were taken.

Boy did I goof! Over 50 years in IT, the majority of them as a programmer, and I introduced what would have been a major bug in Adobe's software were they ever to follow my specs above. Capture Time within Sequence Number should have been Sequence Number within Capture Time. It can get confusing.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cpk Quote
I began to think of why Adobe would offer Capture Time as a sequencing option. It makes no sense in the OP's situation where File Name is the obvious choice. Capture Time would be the sequencing option to choose when the photographer is using two or more cameras and wants to see his photographs in Lightroom in the sequence in which they were taken.
Yes, that's one case; another is if the camera uses different naming conventions for RAW vs JPEG, video vs still, etc. (it may have different prefixes for different kinds of images). If Lightroom were to sort those alphabetically they would not be chronological.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RollsUp Quote
All the above files are in sequence when I view them in camera and also in LRs import dialog window when I inserted the memory card into my Mac again. All the files have the same time stamp in camera, 9:06. In LR 123 & 124 are time stamped as 9:06:33 while 127, 128,129, 125 and 126 are time stamped 9:06:34. 130 & 131 are 9:06:35. For some reason LR doesn't know files 125 and 126 should come before 127, 8 and 9.
Okay. So five frames were taken at time 9:06:34 (127, 128,129, 125 and 126 are time stamped the same). Are you able to look deeper into the time taken to see at what fraction of a second the photos were taken at?

9:06:34.2, 9:06:34.4 et cetera. Looks like you were shooting at about 5 frame per second.

Is there a time stamp difference in fractions of a second?

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I have the same issue with both my K3's and Lightroom. I use the Sort: and select File Name option. Choose ascending or descending and everything will line up. Sort appears at the bottom of your viewing panel and can be selected at anytime including import. A bit inconvenient for sure.
QuoteOriginally posted by cpk Quote
This is an "either or" situation. The files in the sequence 123, 124, 127, 128, 129, 125, 126, 130, 131 are in the correct sequence if Capture Time is the selected sequencing method. In this case file name is immaterial; Lightroom is not looking at it for sequencing purposes. The sequence you want is Capture Time within Sequence Number. From a programming point of view this option would require Lightroom to contain a more complex sequence of coding instructions, and it really doesn't make sense. I have run into this myself and simply change the method of sequencing option to File Name.

Added on further thought:
I began to think of why Adobe would offer Capture Time as a sequencing option. It makes no sense in the OP's situation where File Name is the obvious choice. Capture Time would be the sequencing option to choose when the photographer is using two or more cameras and wants to see his photographs in Lightroom in the sequence in which they were taken.
I changed the sort option to file name in the import dialog. Again the sequencing was fine in camera and in LRs import dialog window. In LRs Library everything was screwed up. The first six files that were imported are IMGP0517.PEF, IMGP0535.PEF, IMGP0552.PEF, IMGP0569.PEF, IMGP0586.PEF and IMGP0603.PEF. The sort option in the Library Module was "Added Order". I opened yesterdays photos in Library mode > chose all > changed the sort option to "File Name" and everything is back in order.

QuoteOriginally posted by seventhdr Quote
Okay. So five frames were taken at time 9:06:34 (127, 128,129, 125 and 126 are time stamped the same). Are you able to look deeper into the time taken to see at what fraction of a second the photos were taken at?

9:06:34.2, 9:06:34.4 et cetera. Looks like you were shooting at about 5 frame per second.

Is there a time stamp difference in fractions of a second?

Regards

Chris
There were no .2, .4 time stamp fractions showing in camera or in LR. Got it all sorted out above.

Thanks everyone.
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