Not a surprise really

**Tas** · 03-17-2016, 11:05 PM

Creative Cloud = record revenue.

Adobe reports record revenue | Photo Rumors

Na Horuk · 03-18-2016, 03:55 AM - **1 Like**

Yeah, that's why they did that whole move. Its terrible. Means users are getting more fleeced left and right. And pretty much most software companies are switching to some sort of cloud with subscriptions. We are returning to the dark ages where peasants had to pay taxes to enjoy the sunshine, because it belonged to the monarch.

FantasticMrFox · 03-18-2016, 06:22 AM - **1 Like**

That's why I have Lightroom 6 instead of CC, and Affinity Photo instead of Photoshop

The Squirrel Mafia · 03-18-2016, 07:45 AM - **1 Like**

For what you are paying, they do offer a pretty decent product & you always get the latest version, but when you think about it, you end up spending at least $120 USA per year. It adds up to a lot of money as the years go by.

You also have the option of buying Silkypix, Capture One, DXO, & other software once & riding it for a few years to get the most bang for the buck.

Basically, it boils down to what you feel most comfortable with. I personally like the Lightroom/Photoshop combo the most out of all paid software, but I'm not subscribed to them at the moment. Capture One is my next pick, but it is pricey at $299 or the $15 monthly fee for a year.

One thing is for sure. Like Na Horuk said, it seems like "Cloud" computing is the wave of the future & a lot of software companies are heading that way. Things are going to get pricier when subscriptions are the only way to go.

Since I don't do photography for a living, I've decided to spend more time on open-source programs like RawTherapee on Windows & Linux & Darktable on Linux instead. I get some pretty incredible results out of RawTherapee, given that it's totally free. I'm currently trying to tweak Darktable as well, but their noise reduction features are kind of hard to tweak.

jeryst · 03-18-2016, 07:53 AM

it all depends on how you look at it. When you buy a subscription you're getting all of the updates all of the time, but when you buy a product you're stuck with it, and then have to pay for upgrades anyway. So the question really is which way is cheaper?

FantasticMrFox · 03-18-2016, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by jeryst

it all depends on how you look at it. When you buy a subscription you're getting all of the updates all of the time, but when you buy a product you're stuck with it, and then have to pay for upgrades anyway. So the question really is which way is cheaper?

The most potent PS competitor to date, Affinity Photo, costs less than half one off than PS costs in a year, and comes with two years of free updates.

**BigMackCam** · 03-18-2016, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

The most potent PS competitor to date, Affinity Photo, costs less than half one off than PS costs in a year, and comes with two years of free updates.

Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing the Affinity Photo for Windows beta...

Ontarian50 · 03-18-2016, 08:31 AM

It doesn't surprise me that CC has worked out for Adobe.

For years I'd hear camera club types bragging about their expertise with the latest version of CS (and prior versions). But when I'd ask how they could afford the software, they'd always wink and boast how their "computer guy" put it on their system for free. Or they'd brag they got the student edition through their son or daughter at university, etc. etc.

There must have been millions, and millions of Photoshop users who never paid for it, that it made sense to Adobe to go the subscription route. Less money, but far more legitimate users.

Now I see camera club types looking a little less guilty about their Photoshop expertise.

PDL · 03-18-2016, 12:34 PM

Just be sure what you are getting into. If you buy LR via subscription you get new features and updates. Buy LR as "perpetual" license you get updates - no new features. Using Capture One via subscription or perpetual you get new features and updates.

The real issue with LR subscription is that if you stop the subscription the Development and Map functions are disabled => no worky. A RAW converter that does not allow you to change your images - in my mind not a good deal at all. I have seen nothing about Capture One not supporting any functionality once the subscription is dropped.

The subscription model has given Adobe a steady, predictable income, which is in their minds a good thing. For non-professionals it just may not be the best thing. I really don't think I shoot enough to HAVE to pay for something I really don't use constantly.

The Elitist - formerly known as PDL

**mattb123** · 03-18-2016, 01:54 PM

I'm still ok on Photoshop CS5 and a perpetual Lightroom 6 license. Hoping to remain unassimilated as long as possible!

**jbinpg** · 03-18-2016, 04:37 PM

@Squirrel - Try using parametric masks along with the multiply blending mode for darktable NR.
Takes care of just about any kind of noise around. You will likely need to tweak the strength and opacity sliders. For the really tough cases, duplicate the non-local means but change it to wavelets. Then decrease the strength on both modules.

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03-18-2016, 03:55 AM - 1 Like	#2
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Yeah, that's why they did that whole move. Its terrible. Means users are getting more fleeced left and right. And pretty much most software companies are switching to some sort of cloud with subscriptions. We are returning to the dark ages where peasants had to pay taxes to enjoy the sunshine, because it belonged to the monarch.

03-18-2016, 06:22 AM - 1 Like	#3
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	That's why I have Lightroom 6 instead of CC, and Affinity Photo instead of Photoshop

03-18-2016, 07:45 AM - 1 Like	#4
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,056	For what you are paying, they do offer a pretty decent product & you always get the latest version, but when you think about it, you end up spending at least $120 USA per year. It adds up to a lot of money as the years go by. You also have the option of buying Silkypix, Capture One, DXO, & other software once & riding it for a few years to get the most bang for the buck. Basically, it boils down to what you feel most comfortable with. I personally like the Lightroom/Photoshop combo the most out of all paid software, but I'm not subscribed to them at the moment. Capture One is my next pick, but it is pricey at $299 or the $15 monthly fee for a year. One thing is for sure. Like Na Horuk said, it seems like "Cloud" computing is the wave of the future & a lot of software companies are heading that way. Things are going to get pricier when subscriptions are the only way to go. Since I don't do photography for a living, I've decided to spend more time on open-source programs like RawTherapee on Windows & Linux & Darktable on Linux instead. I get some pretty incredible results out of RawTherapee, given that it's totally free. I'm currently trying to tweak Darktable as well, but their noise reduction features are kind of hard to tweak.

03-18-2016, 07:53 AM	#5
jeryst Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Western PA Posts: 136	it all depends on how you look at it. When you buy a subscription you're getting all of the updates all of the time, but when you buy a product you're stuck with it, and then have to pay for upgrades anyway. So the question really is which way is cheaper?

03-18-2016, 08:07 AM	#6
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by jeryst it all depends on how you look at it. When you buy a subscription you're getting all of the updates all of the time, but when you buy a product you're stuck with it, and then have to pay for upgrades anyway. So the question really is which way is cheaper? The most potent PS competitor to date, Affinity Photo, costs less than half one off than PS costs in a year, and comes with two years of free updates.

03-18-2016, 08:18 AM	#7
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,686	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox The most potent PS competitor to date, Affinity Photo, costs less than half one off than PS costs in a year, and comes with two years of free updates. Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing the Affinity Photo for Windows beta...

03-18-2016, 08:31 AM	#8
Ontarian50 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 530	It doesn't surprise me that CC has worked out for Adobe. For years I'd hear camera club types bragging about their expertise with the latest version of CS (and prior versions). But when I'd ask how they could afford the software, they'd always wink and boast how their "computer guy" put it on their system for free. Or they'd brag they got the student edition through their son or daughter at university, etc. etc. There must have been millions, and millions of Photoshop users who never paid for it, that it made sense to Adobe to go the subscription route. Less money, but far more legitimate users. Now I see camera club types looking a little less guilty about their Photoshop expertise.

03-18-2016, 12:34 PM	#9
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,128	Just be sure what you are getting into. If you buy LR via subscription you get new features and updates. Buy LR as "perpetual" license you get updates - no new features. Using Capture One via subscription or perpetual you get new features and updates. The real issue with LR subscription is that if you stop the subscription the Development and Map functions are disabled => no worky. A RAW converter that does not allow you to change your images - in my mind not a good deal at all. I have seen nothing about Capture One not supporting any functionality once the subscription is dropped. The subscription model has given Adobe a steady, predictable income, which is in their minds a good thing. For non-professionals it just may not be the best thing. I really don't think I shoot enough to HAVE to pay for something I really don't use constantly. The Elitist - formerly known as PDL

03-18-2016, 01:54 PM	#10
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,873	I'm still ok on Photoshop CS5 and a perpetual Lightroom 6 license. Hoping to remain unassimilated as long as possible!

03-18-2016, 04:37 PM	#11
jbinpg Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prince George, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,546	@Squirrel - Try using parametric masks along with the multiply blending mode for darktable NR. Takes care of just about any kind of noise around. You will likely need to tweak the strength and opacity sliders. For the really tough cases, duplicate the non-local means but change it to wavelets. Then decrease the strength on both modules.