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Winder · 01-09-2017, 06:44 PM

Dell launches Surface Studio-like graphics tablet and a $4,999 8K screen - DIY Photography

bertwert · 01-09-2017, 06:44 PM - **1 Like**

That screen has more resolution than my camera!

photoptimist · 01-09-2017, 07:30 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

That screen has more resolution than my camera!

That screen has more resolution than my eyes!

**jpzk** · 01-09-2017, 07:43 PM

Wow ! Quite a beast this is !

Now, can someone explain this thing about a screen "having more resolution than a camera" ?
For instance, if one has a K1 used with a D FA 24-70 or a D FA* 70-200 and viewing his/her pictures on an 8K screen, how does this work in terms of "outresolving" ...

And what are the "consequences" ?

**lithedreamer** · 01-09-2017, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by jpzk

Wow ! Quite a beast this is !

Now, can someone explain this thing about a screen "having more resolution than a camera" ?
For instance, if one has a K1 used with a D FA 24-70 or a D FA* 70-200 and viewing his/her pictures on an 8K screen, how does this work in terms of "outresolving" ...

And what are the "consequences" ?

I think it was a joke. I hope it was a joke. Whenever people talk about some tech "outresolving" another piece of technology, my head starts to hurt. In any case, 8K is a fraction of 36MP on a 35mm sensor.

**Digitalis** · 01-09-2017, 10:48 PM

Dell is trying to challenge Wacom...good luck with that Dell.

photoptimist · 01-10-2017, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by jpzk

Wow ! Quite a beast this is !

Now, can someone explain this thing about a screen "having more resolution than a camera" ?
For instance, if one has a K1 used with a D FA 24-70 or a D FA* 70-200 and viewing his/her pictures on an 8K screen, how does this work in terms of "outresolving" ...

And what are the "consequences" ?

That screen is 7680×4320 (33 MPix). it would not "out resolve" a K-1 or 645Z but it would do so for lower-resolution cameras.

A K-3 image at a pixel-peeping 100% would NOT even fill the screen and there's actually room for two portrait-orientation K-50 images side by side at 100%.

That said, the 280 dpi pixel pitch of that screen means most people would have a hard time seeing pixel-level detail -- it out resolves their eyes.

reeftool · 01-10-2017, 08:12 AM

It would probably out resolve my eyes as I have difficulty seeing any difference between 1920 x 1080 and 4K. More importantly, it out resolves my wallet.

As impressive as this is, I think it would be terribly uncomfortable working on a tablet that size. It reminds me of those V8 powered Boss Hoss motorcycles you see on display at rallys and shows. Everybody gathers around and says "WOW!" but you never see one out on the road.

**jpzk** · 01-10-2017, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by lithedreamer

I think it was a joke. I hope it was a joke. Whenever people talk about some tech "outresolving" another piece of technology, my head starts to hurt. In any case, 8K is a fraction of 36MP on a 35mm sensor.

Originally posted by photoptimist

That screen is 7680×4320 (33 MPix). it would not "out resolve" a K-1 or 645Z but it would do so for lower-resolution cameras.

A K-3 image at a pixel-peeping 100% would NOT even fill the screen and there's actually room for two portrait-orientation K-50 images side by side at 100%.

That said, the 280 dpi pixel pitch of that screen means most people would have a hard time seeing pixel-level detail -- it out resolves their eyes.

Thanks for the info, folks !

johnmflores · 01-10-2017, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by dcshooter

With no real competition, Wacom has been serving up way too much half-baked garbage for years. At the very least, the aggressively priced Dell should push Wacom to either offer its products at more reasonable prices or improve their QC to justify the higher price point.

Yup. Competition is good. That's why I keep hoping for a credible competitor to Adobe's Creative Cloud.

English-Photographer · 01-11-2017, 04:55 PM

Try Affinity Photo. I've been very impressed

**Digitalis** · 01-12-2017, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Competition is good. That's why I keep hoping for a credible competitor to Adobe's Creative Cloud.

I agree, especially regarding adobe cloud "services". Photographic editing isn't a "service" it is an increasingly essential tool with digital photography along with DAM.

Originally posted by dcshooter

With no real competition, Wacom has been serving up way too much half-baked garbage for years.

I would say using the phrase Half-baked garbage is a bit hyperbolic regarding Wacoms product lines*, I'll admit the loss of the OLED displays next to the control buttons on the Intuos4 line is a feature that will be missed. The Cintiq Interactive displays I use at work are perfectly suited to image editing, though I wish they would make bigger models than the 27" and branched out into 16:10 or square display formats. The touch control ability is of little use to me, I prefer to use a stylus.

*for the sake of disclosure, I'm not supported by wacom, neither are the studios that I work at. Wacom products just happen to be really common tools in the commercial photographic industry.

normhead · 01-12-2017, 08:29 AM

Tess' current iMac is approximately 220 dpi. on an 18.5 x10.5 (21.5) inch screen.

My old guy a 23x17 (27) inch is 111 DPI. . At 220 dpi even out of focus images can look sharp. My guess is it's a serious disadvantage for editing and evaluation, just based on our experience. This is a perfect example of pushing tech specs past the point where they are meaningful to your workflow.

Sitting 8 feet away and watching our pictures go by as a slideshow on the desktop... the old 111 dpi computer is the way to go. But, where can I buy one of those?

bertwert · 01-12-2017, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by normhead

But, where can I buy one of those?

Second hand store...

johnmflores · 01-12-2017, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

That screen is 7680×4320 (33 MPix). it would not "out resolve" a K-1 or 645Z but it would do so for lower-resolution cameras.

A K-3 image at a pixel-peeping 100% would NOT even fill the screen and there's actually room for two portrait-orientation K-50 images side by side at 100%.

That said, the 280 dpi pixel pitch of that screen means most people would have a hard time seeing pixel-level detail -- it out resolves their eyes.

My phone (Samsung Galaxy S7E) is an eye-watering 534 PPI and I love it. Some might say that it's overkill but you can still see the pixels when using GearVR.

And the ability to see multiple images at 100% would be quite nice.

Originally posted by English-Photographer

Try Affinity Photo. I've been very impressed

Thanks, I'll look.

Originally posted by Digitalis

I agree, especially regarding adobe cloud "services". Photographic editing isn't a "service" it is an increasingly essential tool with digital photography along with DAM.

Yes, DAM gets more and more important as my catalogs grow. Lightroom remains my go-to and luckily, it seems the most modern of all the CC apps.

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bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	That screen has more resolution than my camera!

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photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,129	Originally posted by bertwert That screen has more resolution than my camera! That screen has more resolution than my eyes!

01-09-2017, 07:43 PM	#4
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Wow ! Quite a beast this is ! Now, can someone explain this thing about a screen "having more resolution than a camera" ? For instance, if one has a K1 used with a D FA 24-70 or a D FA* 70-200 and viewing his/her pictures on an 8K screen, how does this work in terms of "outresolving" ... And what are the "consequences" ?

01-09-2017, 09:33 PM	#5
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by jpzk Wow ! Quite a beast this is ! Now, can someone explain this thing about a screen "having more resolution than a camera" ? For instance, if one has a K1 used with a D FA 24-70 or a D FA* 70-200 and viewing his/her pictures on an 8K screen, how does this work in terms of "outresolving" ... And what are the "consequences" ? I think it was a joke. I hope it was a joke. Whenever people talk about some tech "outresolving" another piece of technology, my head starts to hurt. In any case, 8K is a fraction of 36MP on a 35mm sensor.

01-09-2017, 10:48 PM	#6
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,695	Dell is trying to challenge Wacom...good luck with that Dell.

01-10-2017, 06:36 AM	#7
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,129	Originally posted by jpzk Wow ! Quite a beast this is ! Now, can someone explain this thing about a screen "having more resolution than a camera" ? For instance, if one has a K1 used with a D FA 24-70 or a D FA* 70-200 and viewing his/her pictures on an 8K screen, how does this work in terms of "outresolving" ... And what are the "consequences" ? That screen is 7680×4320 (33 MPix). it would not "out resolve" a K-1 or 645Z but it would do so for lower-resolution cameras. A K-3 image at a pixel-peeping 100% would NOT even fill the screen and there's actually room for two portrait-orientation K-50 images side by side at 100%. That said, the 280 dpi pixel pitch of that screen means most people would have a hard time seeing pixel-level detail -- it out resolves their eyes.

01-10-2017, 08:12 AM	#8
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	It would probably out resolve my eyes as I have difficulty seeing any difference between 1920 x 1080 and 4K. More importantly, it out resolves my wallet. As impressive as this is, I think it would be terribly uncomfortable working on a tablet that size. It reminds me of those V8 powered Boss Hoss motorcycles you see on display at rallys and shows. Everybody gathers around and says "WOW!" but you never see one out on the road.

01-10-2017, 04:22 PM	#9
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by lithedreamer I think it was a joke. I hope it was a joke. Whenever people talk about some tech "outresolving" another piece of technology, my head starts to hurt. In any case, 8K is a fraction of 36MP on a 35mm sensor. Originally posted by photoptimist That screen is 7680×4320 (33 MPix). it would not "out resolve" a K-1 or 645Z but it would do so for lower-resolution cameras. A K-3 image at a pixel-peeping 100% would NOT even fill the screen and there's actually room for two portrait-orientation K-50 images side by side at 100%. That said, the 280 dpi pixel pitch of that screen means most people would have a hard time seeing pixel-level detail -- it out resolves their eyes. Thanks for the info, folks !

01-10-2017, 06:00 PM	#10
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by dcshooter With no real competition, Wacom has been serving up way too much half-baked garbage for years. At the very least, the aggressively priced Dell should push Wacom to either offer its products at more reasonable prices or improve their QC to justify the higher price point. Yup. Competition is good. That's why I keep hoping for a credible competitor to Adobe's Creative Cloud.

01-11-2017, 04:55 PM	#11
English-Photographer Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 28	Try Affinity Photo. I've been very impressed

01-12-2017, 05:47 AM	#12
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,695	Originally posted by johnmflores Competition is good. That's why I keep hoping for a credible competitor to Adobe's Creative Cloud. I agree, especially regarding adobe cloud "services". Photographic editing isn't a "service" it is an increasingly essential tool with digital photography along with DAM. Originally posted by dcshooter With no real competition, Wacom has been serving up way too much half-baked garbage for years. I would say using the phrase Half-baked garbage is a bit hyperbolic regarding Wacoms product lines, I'll admit the loss of the OLED displays next to the control buttons on the Intuos4 line is a feature that will be missed. The Cintiq Interactive displays I use at work are perfectly suited to image editing, though I wish they would make bigger models than the 27" and branched out into 16:10 or square display formats. The touch control ability is of little use to me, I prefer to use a stylus. for the sake of disclosure, I'm not supported by wacom, neither are the studios that I work at. Wacom products just happen to be really common tools in the commercial photographic industry.

01-12-2017, 08:29 AM	#13
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Tess' current iMac is approximately 220 dpi. on an 18.5 x10.5 (21.5) inch screen. My old guy a 23x17 (27) inch is 111 DPI. . At 220 dpi even out of focus images can look sharp. My guess is it's a serious disadvantage for editing and evaluation, just based on our experience. This is a perfect example of pushing tech specs past the point where they are meaningful to your workflow. Sitting 8 feet away and watching our pictures go by as a slideshow on the desktop... the old 111 dpi computer is the way to go. But, where can I buy one of those?

01-12-2017, 09:01 AM	#14
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by normhead But, where can I buy one of those? Second hand store...

01-12-2017, 09:22 AM	#15
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by photoptimist That screen is 7680×4320 (33 MPix). it would not "out resolve" a K-1 or 645Z but it would do so for lower-resolution cameras. A K-3 image at a pixel-peeping 100% would NOT even fill the screen and there's actually room for two portrait-orientation K-50 images side by side at 100%. That said, the 280 dpi pixel pitch of that screen means most people would have a hard time seeing pixel-level detail -- it out resolves their eyes. My phone (Samsung Galaxy S7E) is an eye-watering 534 PPI and I love it. Some might say that it's overkill but you can still see the pixels when using GearVR. And the ability to see multiple images at 100% would be quite nice. Originally posted by English-Photographer Try Affinity Photo. I've been very impressed Thanks, I'll look. Originally posted by Digitalis I agree, especially regarding adobe cloud "services". Photographic editing isn't a "service" it is an increasingly essential tool with digital photography along with DAM. Yes, DAM gets more and more important as my catalogs grow. Lightroom remains my go-to and luckily, it seems the most modern of all the CC apps.