[Paul the Sunman]

When I opened 4934 it prompted me to install 4938. Try Help > Check for Updates.

Yes, File > Manage Extras is very nice.

[johnhilvert]

Yes, go to 'File/Manage Extras' and you will get to choose where you want to install the backgrounds, ie as backgrounds, borders or textures. Make sure when you select the images you go down to the individual files and import them as opposed to a folder they're sitting in.

Tas

Excellent. That worked OK. Ta.

Is there something you're doing at the time of the crash? It might help if we can compare notes.

I just noticed it this morning when it seemed sluggish. But I'll watch it from hereon. BTW I completed my third part (due to be posted in a week or so) with the previous version and experienced few crashes. Interesting times for post-processing software migrants.

Still, I learn way more from ON1 notwithstanding occasional crashes than I do with Lightroom, these days.

[Tas]

Excellent. That worked OK. Ta.


I just noticed it this morning when it seemed sluggish. But I'll watch it from hereon. BTW I completed my third part (due to be posted in a week or so) with the previous version and experienced few crashes. Interesting times for post-processing software migrants.

Still, I learn way more from ON1 notwithstanding occasional crashes than I do with Lightroom, these days.

I forgot to mention that the best place to add skies etc is in textures. This allows them to be used in FX without going into Layers if you don't want to. I expect you can add them to both anyway though I've never tried that.

With the crashes I'd suggest just letting the program run for a bit without doing any PP. I think there's something in Browse that causes the problem though as it's a new version I don't really know. My experience with past versions is to be patient in the weeks after an update, so just slowing the workflow a bit and doing this seems to work fine.

My crash was a bit odd though and again from experience there could be something they changed that isn't right but if that's the case the main release will uncover it quickly and they'll get a new update out to fix the problem. I'm not sure whether you can do a late update for your third post but the updates are worth a mention if you can.



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When I opened 4934 it prompted me to install 4938. Try Help > Check for Updates.

This is what I did, not update available earlier, just tried it again now and apparently 4934 is still the latest version. I'm on Windows BTW.

[Fcsnt54]

I forgot to mention that the best place to add skies etc is in textures. This allows them to be used in FX without going into Layers if you don't want to. I expect you can add them to both anyway though I've never tried that.

With the crashes I'd suggest just letting the program run for a bit without doing any PP. I think there's something in Browse that causes the problem though as it's a new version I don't really know. My experience with past versions is to be patient in the weeks after an update, so just slowing the workflow a bit and doing this seems to work fine.

My crash was a bit odd though and again from experience there could be something they changed that isn't right but if that's the case the main release will uncover it quickly and they'll get a new update out to fix the problem. I'm not sure whether you can do a late update for your third post but the updates are worth a mention if you can.



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This is what I did, not update available earlier, just tried it again now and apparently 4934 is still the latest version. I'm on Windows BTW.

My updated to 4938, also on windows

[johnhilvert]

My updated to 4938, also on windows

Just got the ...4938 update. It asked for me to sign in to avoid the 30 day trial thingie. So keep your login handy :-)

[Paul the Sunman]

Just got the ...4938 update. It asked for me to sign in to avoid the 30 day trial thingie. So keep your login handy :-)

Yes, I'm wondering if that is a mistake. It didn't happen with the more major update.

[johnhilvert]

Has anyone got any thoughts on the ON1 Plus club. Is it worth the extra dosh?

I've been attracted by a few of the paywalled videos especially those covering masks, layers in particular.

It's disorienting for me to apply these modules without occasionally stuffing up my processing. Without a history log, I often need to revert back to the original RAW files when I get lost or it's not happening for me...

Of course, it's sweet to get a free update later than other plebs. But I'd be interested in feedback from those pioneering Pentaxians that have ponied up for the ON1 Plus Club.

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[Paul the Sunman]

Has anyone got any thoughts on the ON1 Plus club. Is it worth the extra dosh?

I simply don't have the time to devote to doing all that training, so it's certainly not worth the money to me.

[Tas]

Has anyone got any thoughts on the ON1 Plus club. Is it worth the extra dosh?

I've been attracted by a few of the paywalled videos especially those covering masks, layers in particular.

It's disorienting for me to apply these modules without occasionally stuffing up my processing. Without a history log, I often need to revert back to the original RAW files when I get lost or it's not happening for me...

Of course, it's sweet to get a free update later than other plebs. But I'd be interested in feedback from those pioneering Pentaxians that have ponied up for the ON1 Plus Club.

Short answer? Yes. The Plus program is worth the extra dosh.

The program works on a monthly cycle which means there's a host 'pro' who provides a package on whatever it is they specialise in and this can be coaching in landscapes, portraiture, B&W, Post Processing or elements of getting the most out of On1. Last month the presentation focused on architecture photography. There's a critique run every month where you send a photo in and one of the On1 coaches provides feedback.

For me the critiques were the drawcard to the program but I've gotten more out of some of the coaching presentations than anything else. For example, I was not really interested in the architecture stuff despite his work being very compelling and finished off in post really well. But that was only until the coach started showing the compositional tools he uses to frame an image and then showed us how he would use the tools to light an image in post as well. It was enough to get me walking around Brisbane with my Zeiss 21mm pointing skywards and looking for interesting angles to get the right composition.

If you look at buying On1 Photo RAW giving you 12 months of updates for about $100 and you add the extra $30-$40 or whatever it is for Plus, you are actually getting a fair amount of tailored content for the money, extra bonus stuff and access to people in the organisation that would not necessarily be available to anyone just buying the product.

My recommendation is to try it for a year then ask yourself at the end of that 12 months whether you want to stay on. This is where I'm at. I've been in the program for 2 years this month and soon I have to decide to pony up for another year of Plus or not. I don't know which way to go yet as I'd like to stay but I'm wondering whether I should take a break for a bit and come back later further down the track.

Anyhoo, TL;DR Give Plus a go John, it's got some good content and you can leave after a year if you decide it's not for you.

Tas

[johnhilvert]

Woo Hoo Morganti's doing a series on the latest version of ON1 Photo RAW 2018..

At last, someone I respect and follow a lot...

Youtu.be

Youtu.be

[subsea]

Just launched Photo RAW 2018.1 (12.1.0.4934) and it downloaded and installed another new version (12.1.0.4938). Don't know what's new in this one, yet.

edit: I can't find a list of changes either in the software or on the ON1 website, so I emailed tech support. When I get a response, I'll post it.

Just got a response from ON1 regarding the differences between the builds. Here's what they said:

We apologize for any confusion and the delay in response. You will not need to worry about these two build numbers. Both builds are the same and are the most current version of the 2018.1. We have reset the trial periods with the release of the 2018.1 update. The first build we sent out did not include the trial reset, which is why we have two builds of the 2018.1. We will be releasing a minor patch to the 2018.1 version soon to eliminate this confusion. I apologize for this inconvenience, if there is anything else I can do for you please reply to this email.

In other words, no functional changes to Photo RAW 2018.1.

[madbrain]

I gave ON1 a try. It seems like fairly good software. I like the printing capabilities - I can automatically do a crop to fill the whole sheet of paper. With Paintshop Pro, I have to type in a percentage to fill the page when the aspect ratio of the photo does not match the paper.
Of course, this can always be done in 2 steps in any software, but I like to do it in a single one when printing.

Disappointed that it doesn't support multiple monitors. I have a triple monitor setup and it's such a waste of space. Then again, AfterShot, which I have been using until now, doesn't support it either. But at least PaintShop Pro supports dual monitors properly.

What bothers me the most with all these catalogging apps is the management of metadata. Some will create sidecar files for JPG, like Aftershot and ON1. For DNG, some will write it inside the DNG (Lightroom). The problem is that each program manages it differently, making it very difficult to switch, unless you want to recreate all your metadata (a big no-no).
The issue is if you use multiple programs, you have multiple sets of metadata. It is never synchronized back and forth. I find that really problematic. There should be a standard way for all these programs to manage metadata. ON1 appears to migrate metadata from Lightroom, but it's done 1-time on import. You can't go back. And if you want to use the facial recognition in Lightroom CC (which was still part of the free version last year, not sure now) to add metadata keywords, ON1 (or Aftershot) won't be aware of the new keywords.

There is no perfect program.
I have to migrate away from Corel Aftershot since the support for new cameras is so poor. I want to manage RAWs from my Galaxy Note 8, but the program cannot read them.
Corel Paintshop Pro can, but its catalogging function is slow and unstable.
Lightroom is out of the picture for me completely due to the subscription model.
ON1 seems to use completely proprietary file formats - not even XMP.
At least Aftershot and Lightroom sometimes would write to the same XMP files for a given photo (but also, sometimes not ...) even though this would confuse and mess up the catalog in each app and lead to instability in both ...

[johnhilvert]

Digital archive management is an issue especially when migrating across from Lightroom. My strategy has been to continue archiving via Lightroom but to use ON1 on all my images from Jan onward but maintaining sidecar files so it’s accessible from Lightroom 6.14.

I agree it’s disappointing there’s no support for dual displays as well.

I reckon, that will be fixed in a later Rev.

That said I am finding many attractions from learning ON1 rather than tolerating Adobe’s creative cloud push.

[madbrain]

Digital archive management is an issue especially when migrating across from Lightroom. My strategy has been to continue archiving via Lightroom but to use ON1 on all my images from Jan onward but maintaining sidecar files so it’s accessible from Lightroom 6.14.

I agree it’s disappointing there’s no support for dual displays as well.

I reckon, that will be fixed in a later Rev.

That said I am finding many attractions from learning ON1 rather than tolerating Adobe’s creative cloud push.

I have never purchased Lightroom and don't intend to start.
Another thing that bothers me in ON1 is the slow workflow. If I'm browsing images, and want to make some quick edits, I have to click "develop". That takes a fair amount of time, even on my PC with 32GB of RAM and 6 cores (i7 5820k) which is overclocked and has dual SSD in RAID and dual HDDs as a striped volume also.
Then I have to click "browse" to go to the next image, and it is slow again. I guess it used to be separate programs, so integrated is better. But it is still too slow.

One thing I really liked about Aftershot was how fast it was. I could just browse images, use the keyboard arrows to go to the next images, and do very quick adjustments with mouse clicks. Lightroom was never as fast.
Unfortunately, the camera support i Aftershot really kills it. PaintShop Pro is not as good of a RAW image editor in terms of features, and slower too. However, it does support all my cameras. Wish there was one program that really worked for all my needs.

[Fcsnt54]

I have never purchased Lightroom and don't intend to start.
Another thing that bothers me in ON1 is the slow workflow. If I'm browsing images, and want to make some quick edits, I have to click "develop". That takes a fair amount of time, even on my PC with 32GB of RAM and 6 cores (i7 5820k) which is overclocked and has dual SSD in RAID and dual HDDs as a striped volume also.
Then I have to click "browse" to go to the next image, and it is slow again. I guess it used to be separate programs, so integrated is better. But it is still too slow.

One thing I really liked about Aftershot was how fast it was. I could just browse images, use the keyboard arrows to go to the next images, and do very quick adjustments with mouse clicks. Lightroom was never as fast.
Unfortunately, the camera support i Aftershot really kills it. PaintShop Pro is not as good of a RAW image editor in terms of features, and slower too. However, it does support all my cameras. Wish there was one program that really worked for all my needs.

you can stay in the develop module. you can either press an arrow or if you go down to the bottom left there is a way that a film strip pops up and you can move to another image. Also you might need to clear some catche? Cause when I switch between the two it takes less then a second and my computer is not over clocked, granted I'm not sure if the amd has anything to do with that though